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Which players realistically return a 1st at deadline

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Interesting to hear what other say. Who returns a 2023 1st at deadline?

My list of guys, I think…

Yes
- Horvat
- Meier
- Kane

Yes, If they get dealt
- Chychrun
- Larkin

Yes, with retention and/or desperation
- Karlsson
- Toews
- Boeser
- Gavrikov
- Ekholm (if dealt)
- Bennett

Maybe someone with term that we are not thinking of

What do you all think?
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
3482 500 000 $121 825 000 $0 $0 $-39 325 000 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Yes, they do
800 000 $800 000 $
Maybe, in right deal
800 000 $800 000 $
No, they do not
800 000 $800 000 $
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
4 425 000 $4 425 000 $
C
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
2 625 000 $2 625 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
6 650 000 $6 650 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
2 375 000 $2 375 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Predators de Nashville
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
2 800 000 $2 800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
1 875 000 $1 875 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Others, but no 1st
800 000 $800 000 $
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
450 000 $450 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
6 375 000 $6 375 000 $
C, AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
850 000 $850 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1

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31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 21
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You left out every player in the Montreal Canadiens organization.
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31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 23
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What's the record for most 1st traded at a deadline in this era? I doubt it's 10
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31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 23
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No chance Gavrikov returns a 1st. Boeser as well.
31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 25
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Only one I'd switch is boeser. Idk if he gets a 1st. Other than that I think it's a good list.
31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 26
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What's the record for most 1st traded at a deadline in this era? I doubt it's 10


Definitely not setting records this season either. I'd be surprised if we see 3 more firsts moved this deadline
31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 26
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No chance Gavrikov returns a 1st. Boeser as well.


What? Savard and Chiarot's trades involved a first round pick. No guarantee it will for Gavrikov but it's likely and definitely not "no chance".
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31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 30
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You left out every player in the Montreal Canadiens organization.


Not every Montreal player is available, of those available only Monahan and Eddy will return a 1st (if traded). Outside of them only Anderson, Dvorak and Savard will cost a team a 1st + if they want to pry them away. Everyone else is either not available (Suzuki, Dach, Caufeild, Guhle, Slafkovsky) or are not worth more than a couple of 2nds (Drouin, Hoffman, Pitlick, Dadonov, Armia, Gallagher, Evans, Kovacevic, Harris, Wideman, ect...)
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31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 34
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What? Savard and Chiarot's trades involved a first round pick. No guarantee it will for Gavrikov but it's likely and definitely not "no chance".


Savard had a track record of being very good + there were not many Ds available. Chiarot was coming off a SCF run. Neither applies to gavrikov.
31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 36
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or are not worth more than a couple of 2nds (Drouin, Hoffman, Pitlick, Dadonov, Armia, Gallagher, Evans, Kovacevic, Harris, Wideman, ect...)


They wouldn't get a 2nd for all of them together
31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 40
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Quoting: Campabee
Not every Montreal player is available, of those available only Monahan and Eddy will return a 1st (if traded). Outside of them only Anderson, Dvorak and Savard will cost a team a 1st + if they want to pry them away. Everyone else is either not available (Suzuki, Dach, Caufeild, Guhle, Slafkovsky) or are not worth more than a couple of 2nds (Drouin, Hoffman, Pitlick, Dadonov, Armia, Gallagher, Evans, Kovacevic, Harris, Wideman, ect...)


My mistake.
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Definitely not setting records this season either. I'd be surprised if we see 3 more firsts moved this deadline


I agree
31 janv. 2023 à 18 h 52
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Not every Montreal player is available, of those available only Monahan and Eddy will return a 1st (if traded). Outside of them only Anderson, Dvorak and Savard will cost a team a 1st + if they want to pry them away. Everyone else is either not available (Suzuki, Dach, Caufeild, Guhle, Slafkovsky) or are not worth more than a couple of 2nds (Drouin, Hoffman, Pitlick, Dadonov, Armia, Gallagher, Evans, Kovacevic, Harris, Wideman, ect...)


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Quoting: tkecanuck341
You left out every player in the Montreal Canadiens organization.


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31 janv. 2023 à 19 h 6
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They wouldn't get a 2nd for all of them together


Harris and maybe Evans can get a 2nd of the guys I listed. I didn't list everyone, for instance Matheson could probably get 2 2nds or a 2nd and 3rd. Xhekaj may get a 2nd or 3rd. I used a couple of 2nds as the max for players not worth a 1st, I could have listed every player individually but that would be ridiculous so I lumped them in 4 groups, the 3 available players that will return a min 1st, the three players that would take an overpay of a 1st + to pry away (the guys we don't want to trade but can be convinced), the players off limits as they are our core now and going forward and the rest.
31 janv. 2023 à 19 h 20
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Savard had a track record of being very good + there were not many Ds available. Chiarot was coming off a SCF run. Neither applies to gavrikov.


Gavrikov was pretty good his first three years. He's younger than both Savard/Chiarot when they were traded and he's also playing top pair minutes including the highest SH TOI% among defensemen. This should make up for his lack of experience in playoffs.

Most important thing is he's 6-3, 221 lbs so good or not, that will stop some GMs.
31 janv. 2023 à 19 h 31
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Gavrikov was pretty good his first three years. He's younger than both Savard/Chiarot when they were traded and he's also playing top pair minutes including the highest SH TOI% among defensemen. This should make up for his lack of experience in playoffs.

Most important thing is he's 6-3, 221 lbs so good or not, that will stop some GMs.


Which of these two defenseman would you give up a 1st for given their numbers? If available.

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The fact that Gavrikov routinely gets stated as being worth a 1st and Dumba isn't, boggles my mind. Dumba has been better in every way imaginable this year.
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Which of these two defenseman would you give up a 1st for given their numbers? If available.

The fact that Gavrikov routinely gets stated as being worth a 1st and Dumba isn't, boggles my mind. Dumba has been better in every way imaginable this year.


I would not give up a first for either but I'd rather spend it on Dumba. Anyways, he has a $6M cap hit with M-NTC while Gavrikov has a $2.8M cap hit with no clause. That's why Minnesota wouldn't receive a 1st for Dumba unless they retain half $. Also, one thing to consider is the usage. Gavrikov is playing on the first pair while it's a role he can't handle while Dumba is used the way he should.
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Quoting: RazWild
Which of these two defenseman would you give up a 1st for given their numbers? If available.

Screenshot-2023-01-29-at-7.29.57-PM.png

Screenshot-2023-01-29-at-8.34.01-PM.png

The fact that Gavrikov routinely gets stated as being worth a 1st and Dumba isn't, boggles my mind. Dumba has been better in every way imaginable this year.


Thank you for posting this graphic. Every year some mid/bottom pairing guy gets hyped up as the next Orr at the TDL. Especially for Gav, people are like "bro he plays 20+ mins a night" without realizing that some of the users here on capfriendly could play 20+ mins with all the injuries Columbus has had.
31 janv. 2023 à 20 h 12
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Which of these two defenseman would you give up a 1st for given their numbers? If available.

Screenshot-2023-01-29-at-7.29.57-PM.png

Screenshot-2023-01-29-at-8.34.01-PM.png

The fact that Gavrikov routinely gets stated as being worth a 1st and Dumba isn't, boggles my mind. Dumba has been better in every way imaginable this year.


I think $1.4m would be a selling point there. And Dumba’s name is not “out there” as much since Minny in the thick of things.

Would not surprise me if Dumba got a 1st at 50%
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