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Timo and Karel

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Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 31 janv. 2023
Publié: 31 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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SJS
  1. Holtz, Alexander
  2. Walsh, Reilly
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
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“What I’m hearing is a first-rounder — and one Grade-A or two Grade-B prospects, or one good prospect and a young, established NHL player,” a source from outside the San Jose Sharks organization told San Jose Hockey Now." Here's your Grade-A prospect.
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ARI
  1. Blackwood, Mackenzie
  2. Wood, Miles
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
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31 janv. 2023 à 14 h 38
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Vejmelka isn't going to be traded anytime soon
31 janv. 2023 à 14 h 42
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Hope they can if they get enough picks
31 janv. 2023 à 14 h 44
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Not sure if SJ considers Holtz an A prospect or Walsh a B prospect, so if you swap Walsh for Muk or Casey, then it'd match the "two B prospects" reported ask.
31 janv. 2023 à 14 h 54
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Not sure if SJ considers Holtz an A prospect or Walsh a B prospect, so if you swap Walsh for Muk or Casey, then it'd match the "two B prospects" reported ask.


I mean, that's fine. But if Holtz is considered a B prospect by Grier, then Fitz might as well send an actual B prospect instead of Holtz. Like Gritsyuk or Clarke.

The only reason Holtz is so involved in these trades is because he's seen as a top prospect. If Grier doesn't view him as that, then we've got PLENTLY of other B-tier prospects that have a lot less potential than Holtz.
31 janv. 2023 à 15 h 1
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I mean, that's fine. But if Holtz is considered a B prospect by Grier, then Fitz might as well send an actual B prospect instead of Holtz. Like Gritsyuk or Clarke.

The only reason Holtz is so involved in these trades is because he's seen as a top prospect. If Grier doesn't view him as that, then we've got PLENTLY of other B-tier prospects that have a lot less potential than Holtz.


Unless they consider those guys C prospects. Based on the "sources" Peng talked to, they had a high bar for what was considered A. They even said Nemec was a "A/B tweener" which is pretty nuts but yeah. They considered someone like Luke Hughes as a A prospect. It could easily be all BS
31 janv. 2023 à 15 h 3
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How is Holtz not an A prospect?

Someone provide a list of better prospects that have been traded in recent years.
31 janv. 2023 à 15 h 8
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A: Hughes, Nemec, Holtz, Gritsyuk, Casey, Mukhamadullin
B: Foote, Vilen, Salminen, Filmon, Schmid. Daws, Bahl
31 janv. 2023 à 15 h 9
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Quoting: poeticentropy
Unless they consider those guys C prospects. Based on the "sources" Peng talked to, they had a high bar for what was considered A. They even said Nemec was a "A/B tweener" which is pretty nuts but yeah. They considered someone like Luke Hughes as a A prospect. It could easily be all BS


Yeah, you're not bringing much credibility to it by mentioning how that reporter brought up Luke Hughes.

My point is that I'd personally put Gritsyuk, Clarke, Muk and Casey in the same tier and Holtz is a better prospect than all of them. Just getting tired of all these ACGMs going the same way:
"Holtz isn't a Grade A prospect'
"Then switch him with another good prospect'
"...But we want Holtz"
31 janv. 2023 à 15 h 12
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Quoting: MellowK
Yeah, you're not bringing much credibility to it by mentioning how that reporter brought up Luke Hughes.

My point is that I'd personally put Gritsyuk, Clarke, Muk and Casey in the same tier and Holtz is a better prospect than all of them. Just getting tired of all these ACGMs going the same way:
"Holtz isn't a Grade A prospect'
"Then switch him with another good prospect'
"...But we want Holtz"


leaving out the point where the reporter said if Luke Hughes was somehow involved, that would be the only big piece.
31 janv. 2023 à 15 h 24
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Yeah, you're not bringing much credibility to it by mentioning how that reporter brought up Luke Hughes.

My point is that I'd personally put Gritsyuk, Clarke, Muk and Casey in the same tier and Holtz is a better prospect than all of them. Just getting tired of all these ACGMs going the same way:
"Holtz isn't a Grade A prospect'
"Then switch him with another good prospect'
"...But we want Holtz"


I dunno if Holtz actually is or not but according to the reporter's sources they considered Muk and Holtz B not A, which has context to the reported ask of 1st+ 1 A or 2 B. I am just saying that if people are citing this article for a source of what SJ wants, they need to include what the writer says their source values for those prospects and not interject their own ranking. This ACGM is posting the ask from that article which is why I'm responding with this info
31 janv. 2023 à 15 h 35
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Quoting: poeticentropy
I dunno if Holtz actually is or not but according to the reporter's sources they considered Muk and Holtz B not A, which has context to the reported ask of 1st+ 1 A or 2 B. I am just saying that if people are citing this article for a source of what SJ wants, they need to include what the writer says their source values for those prospects and not interject their own ranking. This ACGM is posting the ask from that article which is why I'm responding with this info


I don't see Muk or Holtz mentioned at all. Just that Luke Hughes is "a definite Grade-A." (no sh*t)

He mentions Brennan Othmann as a Grade-B, who is an under performing 20 year old in the OHL with 1st round pedigree. And if that's the case, you guys can go ahead and swap Holtz for Stillman.

But I don't think how the "Grade-A" or "Grade-B" tags are evaluated in the article are based on the source, I think they're just based on how Peng evaluates them. And they're done rather poorly, like as if they were done by somebody who just reports on the Sharks.
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31 janv. 2023 à 15 h 41
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I don't see Muk or Holtz mentioned at all. Just that Luke Hughes is "a definite Grade-A." (no sh*t)

He mentions Brennan Othmann as a Grade-B, who is an under performing 20 year old in the OHL with 1st round pedigree. And if that's the case, you guys can go ahead and swap Holtz for Stillman.

But I don't think how the "Grade-A" or "Grade-B" tags are evaluated in the article are based on the source, I think they're just based on how Peng evaluates them. And they're done rather poorly, like as if they were done by somebody who just reports on the Sharks.


Yeah, it's not in the article itself, but look down in the article's comments section where the author Peng responds to direct questions.

Nimrod
19 hours ago
Hi Sheng, would you view Nemic as an A-prospect? I would want Hughes more than Nemic but given who Luke’s brother is on that team I don’t think they’re going to give him up. https://sanjosehockeynow.com/san-jose-sharks-timo-meier-trade-return/

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Sheng Peng
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Reply to Nimrod
18 hours ago
I asked an NHL source about where Nemec falls, he’s an A-B tweener right now

david barnard
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17 hours ago
what’s your source consider Shakir Mukhamadallin?

Sheng Peng
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14 hours ago
He’s a B, along with Holtz. FWIW I actually asked three different NHL sources, about my Grade-A and B evaluations
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31 janv. 2023 à 15 h 57
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Yeah, it's not in the article itself, but look down in the article's comments section where the author Peng responds to direct questions.

Nimrod
19 hours ago
Hi Sheng, would you view Nemic as an A-prospect? I would want Hughes more than Nemic but given who Luke’s brother is on that team I don’t think they’re going to give him up. https://sanjosehockeynow.com/san-jose-sharks-timo-meier-trade-return/

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Sheng Peng
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Reply to Nimrod
18 hours ago
I asked an NHL source about where Nemec falls, he’s an A-B tweener right now

david barnard
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17 hours ago
what’s your source consider Shakir Mukhamadallin?

Sheng Peng
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14 hours ago
He’s a B, along with Holtz. FWIW I actually asked three different NHL sources, about my Grade-A and B evaluations


Fair enough, I see the comments now, thanks.

And to that I'd only question the logic of why Holtz and Othmann are considered to be on the same level. Maybe him and/or his source are just weirdly high on Othmann, but who knows.
31 janv. 2023 à 16 h 13
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Fair enough, I see the comments now, thanks.

And to that I'd only question the logic of why Holtz and Othmann are considered to be on the same level. Maybe him and/or his source are just weirdly high on Othmann, but who knows.


My guess it's more that their threshold for an "A grade prospect" is really high making the B grade bin really large
31 janv. 2023 à 16 h 32
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My guess it's more that their threshold for an "A grade prospect" is really high making the B grade bin really large


I think it's more just the article is a mess, all due respect to Peng.

But if Nemec is a "A-B tweener", that would imply that Nemec+1st wouldn't get it done... which is just absurd. If I posted an ACGM of that trade on here I'd get torn to shreds. I don't think him and his source(s) are sifting through all their notes on other team's prospects while they're answering some random users questions.
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31 janv. 2023 à 16 h 37
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I think it's more just the article is a mess, all due respect to Peng.

But if Nemec is a "A-B tweener", that would imply that Nemec+1st wouldn't get it done... which is just absurd. If I posted an ACGM of that trade on here I'd get torn to shreds. I don't think him and his source(s) are sifting through all their notes on other team's prospects while they're answering some random users questions.


I agree the Nemec part is surprising and brings doubts. I think a 1st+Nemec+some tiny add could get it done, if they really have concern he's not well into the A category, where most consider him to be...2OA pick and performing well. I am however not surprised Holtz's value could be dropped out of some top tier category.
 
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