yeah, that's pretty much what :P means...

the point i was kind of making is that after trading away (after wasting, 4 pro games sitting on the taxi squad at 21, critical time for a developing goalie) Mikey DiPietro, the Canucks have zero goaltending depth, Arturs Silovs is literally all they have in the pipe now.

they could really -use- a top goalie prospect, and now.

I don’t think Raty, Beauvillier, 1st makes a case that Holtz should/would be traded for Meier.

Maybe…Salminen, Johnsson, 1st…or Casey, Johnsson, 1st…but hardly Holtz.

I voted Fair ASSUMING Horvat extends with NY. Be crazy if he doesn't

Hope he does for NYI sake. Otherwise terrible deal.

Stay tuned!

They could always flip AB to a contender...?

I'm not sure how I feel about this one ... I kind of like it and I kind of don't.

Luke Schenn of course...

Oh jeez. Watch Horvat walk in UFA.

Don’t get me wrong, Horvat is an awesome add, but we’re essentially risking the rest of the farm on the whim of a guy who’s never been an Islander, AND in a year where we cleary won’t the Cup.

Fair deal, Horvat’s good and while I’m not sure why NYI did this, they protected their 1st

New York wins this trade unless: Isles don't make playoffs, Horvat walks, the pick in the 12-16 range. This kills all of the Monahan for 1rst deals now

At face value, I'd say the trade is fair. That's about the package I would expect for Horvat. However, the islanders are not one Bo Horvat away from contending and are likely to not even make the playoffs. They should be restocking their prospect pool, not tearing it down further.

Indeed.

how can you not say raty is a top prospect? he is probably more valuable than knies is.

Personally think this is a loss for Canucks. Not because of the return. They lose a leader on a team that lacks it in Management. This team is weak at center, even more so now.

Now that is a sizeable trade

I agree with your assessment for the Canucks, but the Islanders also gave up too much. There needs to be a "Both Lose" choice for trades like this.

It's always amazing to me how people fail to consider opportunity cost in any trade for impact players. Contending teams have to pay a premium on star players because they are scare and they are ultimately what push teams to be in position for deep playoff runs.

This also isn't a conditional analysis: the trade isn't good or bad for the Islanders if they make or miss the playoffs. It's good because it gives them a better chance to make the playoffs and contend for a cup than holding onto two prospects and third line player. It's good for the Canucks because they maximize their return for a potential free agent. Both teams benefit and the trade market isn't zero sum.

I mean yes it s a bit of an overpayment but if Horvat resigns then it's worth IMO. Nelson can play LW. Islanders bottom 6 contracts are so gross though. And Horvat has shown he can score goals (for this year at least).

Canucks get a guy with 2nd line ceiling or higher, a 1st round pick that could or not be something (if it ends up to be a 2023 pick it will be) and they get a solid middle six roster player with some term that they could flip. I know it's tough to trade a guy that's been in the organisation for almost a decade, but this was the right choice. I think it would've been an awful move if they extended him. I think Isles overpaid but they have an amazing center core, Barzal, Horvat, Nelson. A very steep price to pay for a rental but if they go far it's worth it, we'll wait and see. Canucks win.

Timo isnt better than Horvat. Horvat is a beast in the face off circle, good defensively and has been lights out on the PP and around the net. He shouldve been a Canuck for life- everything you want in a center and a captain.

As for the trade- the Canucks won it if they turn that 1st into a top 6 forward or top 4 dman- but that will be years away, and while I like Beauvillier- the Canucks have plenty of good wingers, so not a great fit. Now with their massive holes on defense...theyve added another at center. Still a lot of work to get their roster fixed, and this trade could go either way depending on whom they pick- and who resigns- Horvat and Beauvilier who has just 1 year left before becoming a UFA.

Retention’s nice. Isles probably come out ahead in short-medium term.

lol cute

Exactly. Ppl overvalue anything of value. Beauvilier HAD potential but he's essentially a 3rd line winger that is overpaid. Raty has skating issues, potential but you need to give to get a known asset. Isles certainly didnt overpay like ppl here LOVE to jump to early conclusions just like every Julien Brisebois trade was an 'overpay'

Gonna need to be a helluva return to qualify

If there is a team who thinks they can do it this year and says **** it all in Lou could walk out with a monster return

Or heck if he gets Horvat to agree to an extension trades him (with ret on the current deal) then the possibilities are endless.

Keep an eye on Seattle March 2nd they might pull a Vegas