Gibson has been really really really bad for a couple seasons now. Maybe it's a bad team effect, but Jarry has been really good and I can't imagine a new contract for him will be as expensive as Gibson's current deal. Or at least it would be comparable.

The only way we are moving Henriques with (near) 50% retention is for a 1st, meaning you are sending us a 4th and loading a cannon full of pending UFA's at us for Gibson, which would not do it from Anaheim's perspective. Furthermore, while it's been speculated externally, Gibson has repeatedly stated he wants to stay in Anaheim. Lastly, under the condition of drop Henrique and Blueger and Heinen, how would we convince Jarry to stay in Anaheim after the season we've had?

Now for the real question, why would you want to do this?

If we move Rico 50% retained we should get at least a 1st so this trade would be a pass

If we trade both it should be separate to max our return

None of the players you’re sending us hold much value to us either

Hey man, good take!

CHI might take that to take a Dumoulin dump since he is a UFA at the end of the season. But honestly, Legare isn't interesting in the least bit. I also wonder if Dumoulin would even accept a trade to CHI.

When Dumolin signed his new contract (i think 2016/17) i highly doubt that Chicago was one of the 10 teams on the MNTC (most people think it was all 7 canadian teams) and if true i would guess the other three are Arizona, Buffalo and probably like CBJ/Detroit. Unsure.

Doesn't he submit a no trade list each season?

One year from now, as you yourself point out, all the Ducks might have to show for this trade is a prospect taken with the first-round draft pick and a B prospect smurf. That would be fine if we were sending you John Klingberg, but not either Adam Henrique or John Gibson, let alone both.

Like I said, in my note, we can remove Henrique that's fine, Make it Jarry/Puust and a 1st for Gibson and cut the rest of it out.

Bedard, Terry, Zegras, McTavish would be 4 good reasons to start on convincing Jarry to stay. If the Ducks get Bedard and resign Zegras they immediately have one of the best 1/2 punches donw them middle. Gibsons $6.4m is off, and you'll most likely get Jarry for a bit less and he's younger by two years.

Remember, cap goes up by at least $1M next year as well.

This would give Gibson A. a shot at a cup (even as a pens fan i think the chances are dwindling) but I would both hope and assume that Mgmt/Ownership are going to do whatever they can to make the team as competitive as possible for the next 2-3 season with crosby/malkin/letang and B. Gibson is from Pittsburgh, gives him a chance to play in his home town.

I don't know contracts that well, but i believe the list is submitted when the contract is signed and that's when the list takes hold... i don't think it's submitted every season.

I'm not too informed on the contract side of things either but my understanding was always the player submits a list every season. Hopefully someone with more knowledge on here fills us in lol

You may be right... google hasn't yielded much, but they may submit at the start of each season. Still, idk honestly that he'd have CHI, i would still think he has all canadian teams, last 3 would be a crap shoot, we all know AZ is one of them lol

Blues say no

I haven’t seen a post from you in a long ass time lol

what do you expect to receive for Barbashev, just curious.

My guy! Haven’t seen one from you either!

Remove Kapanen, remove Hallander or switch him to something that isn't living in concussion world and the 4th coming from the Blues and then maybe you have a shot.

so you're saying Barbashev for a 2nd only basically is a maybe.

Yes. As it could be beaten. If someone comes in with a higher 2nd or adds a little sumpinsumpin, they will win. Or the Blues could just extend him.

A 2nd itself is fine (proably gets beat)
But kapenen is kinda a dump and hallander has really no value

In most of the wording I've read, players in a multi-year deal, the language often permits the player to submit a revised list each year at the commencement of the year. This allows the player to strategically pick teams each season if the power balance in the league shifts or personal circumstances change. The language will sometimes state that if a player does not deliver an updated list by a specified date in each year of the contract, the list remains unchanged from the original or previous list submitted. However, clever contract wording can also specify that if the player doesn’t deliver a new list each year, any further no-move or no-trade rights are forfeited from that point forward. That can be a disastrous omission from a player agent – and don’t think that never happens.

I'm mostly taking this from Chris Gear of Daily Faceoff

Interesting... thanks for that! Would be curious to get a player perspective on how they go through that/make their decisions. Obviously a lot of factors.

Thanks for the insight. I thought that was the case but I have no idea where I heard about it so I didn't want to relay it as fact.

No trade lists are drafted by the player and their agent on a season by season basis and are to be turned in to the GM around the same time free agency opens.

Much as I love Gibson and know he is playing well better than his stats, I can't see upgrading goaltending to be the thing that gets Pitt over the hump, and that's even if you are in the camp that believes Gibson is better than Jarry. Jarry has played frankly great this year, and with so many goaltenders hitting the UFA market this season, good goalies will be going for cheap.

The areas where I see the Pens needing help is depth scoring and powerplay, Henrique and Klingberg.

A trade could look like Rico and Klingberg (both 50% retained) for PIT 23 1st, PIT 24 2nd, Kapanen, and McGinn (or Blueger + Ruhwedel) to make the cap work. Reminder in case this seems high that you would still have Henrique next season at under 3 mil AAV.