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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 26 janv. 2023
Publié: 26 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Bourque, Mavrik
  2. Gurianov, Denis
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
DAL
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
2.
MTL
  1. Donskoi, Joonas
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (SEA)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (SEA)
3.
MTL
  1. Petersen, Cal
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (LAK)
LAK
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
4.
MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)
COL
  1. Monahan, Sean (3 187 500 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2182 500 000 $71 809 999 $1 132 500 $1 777 500 $10 690 001 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 8
Logo de Stars de Dallas
2 900 000 $2 900 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 4
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
UFA - 3
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 3
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
766 667 $766 667 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
828 333 $828 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
842 500 $842 500 $ (Bonis de performance507 500 $$508K)
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Kings de Los Angeles
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Kraken de Seattle
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 3

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26 janv. 2023 à 13 h 58
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The Kings have no need to dump Petersen. They can stash him in the AHL and buy him out next summer for a negligible cap hit.

The Kings aren't giving up a 1st round pick for Jake Allen. They'll stick with Copley before they go that route.
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 2
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While Seattle could use another defenseman who's good in their own end, they don't need a blueliner so badly that they'd give up a future first rounder plus for Joel Edmundson.
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 3
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
The Kings have no need to dump Petersen. They can stash him in the AHL and buy him out next summer for a negligible cap hit.

The Kings aren't giving up a 1st round pick for Jake Allen. They'll stick with Copley before they go that route.


You’re probably right re: Petersen vs Allen. A buyout may be more likely than burying him for 2 more years as it still costs them 3.875 against the cap while he’s down there.

But lord if the other 3 deals were to happen, it would be great! 🔥 🔥 🔥
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 3
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Maybe, but a lot of Kings fans complaning about they allow too much goals against each games, and Allen is a solid back up goalie for Quick.
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 5
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While Seattle could use another defenseman who's good in their own end, they don't need a blueliner so badly that they'd give up a future first rounder plus for Joel Edmundson.


What do you think those type of dmen cost at the deadline? GMs have seen plenty of Edmundson in the playoffs, the body of work at that time of year is impressive. People said the same about Chiarot last year and Savard the year before that.
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 6
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Maybe, but a lot of Kings fans complaning about they allow too much goals against each games, and Allen is a solid back up goalie for Quick.


Pheonix Copley has more wins (14) since his debut on December 6 than any other goaltender in the NHL. He's doing just fine.
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 8
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While Seattle could use another defenseman who's good in their own end, they don't need a blueliner so badly that they'd give up a future first rounder plus for Joel Edmundson.


Seattle need a down-pairing dmen who have somes greats playoffs experience (like Edmundson who went twice to the SCF and won a cup back to 2019).
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 8
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Pheonix Copley has more wins (14) since his debut on December 6 than any other goaltender in the NHL. He's doing just fine.


And UFA after this season I think?
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 8
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Still a "no" from the Avs. They are not trading a 1st for an oft-injured Monahan, especially when they have two better options already on the team.
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 11
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And UFA after this season I think?


He is, but the Kings will extend him before giving up a 1st for a backup goaltender.
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 14
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The Kings have no need to dump Petersen. They can stash him in the AHL and buy him out next summer for a negligible cap hit.

The Kings aren't giving up a 1st round pick for Jake Allen. They'll stick with Copley before they go that route.


Over 5m cap hit on year one of buyout isnt negligible.
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 15
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Still a "no" from the Avs. They are not trading a 1st for an oft-injured Monahan, especially when they have two better options already on the team.


No you’re right, it’ll probably be a 2nd that becomes a 1st if certain conditions are met around Monahans # of games played and their playoff success.
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 17
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Over 5m cap hit on year one of buyout isnt negligible.


That's why they're going to buy him out next summer, not this summer.

2023-24: $3.85M cap hit (in AHL)
2024-25: $1M buyout cap hit
2025-26: $2M buyout cap hit

Negligible.
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 17
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Ah, the Montreal Greatest Hits, all in one place:
1. Josh Anderson for a ton;
2. Joel Edmundson for the Ben Chiarot return;
3. Cal Petersen and a first because LA has to move the $5 million cap hit; and the zombie that simply WILL . NOT . DIE:
4. Thirty games of Sean Monahan with 50% retention to Colorado for their 2023 first.
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 20
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Ah, the Montreal Greatest Hits, all in one place:
1. Josh Anderson for a ton;
2. Joel Edmundson for the Ben Chiarot return;
3. Cal Petersen and a first because LA has to move the $5 million cap hit; and the zombie that simply WILL . NOT . DIE:
4. Thirty games of Sean Monahan with 50% retention to Colorado for their 2023 first.


😱 <—— you on March 3rd when it all happens lol
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 23
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No you’re right, it’ll probably be a 2nd that becomes a 1st if certain conditions are met around Monahans # of games played and their playoff success.


I'd be surprised if Monahan brought back much more than a 3rd. And I don't think he's a fit with the Avs anyhow.
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 24
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😱 <—— you on March 3rd when it all happens lol


The chances are better -- much, much better -- that you'll hit the parlay instead of me. In particular, the chances of #4 going your way are less than 10% and the chances of #3 going your way are less than 5%, so that makes you a 1-in-200 shot.
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 33
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Literally MTL fans have to stop. Monahan isn’t worth a first. COL isn’t giving up a first for him. The dude hasn’t played in almost 2 months but MTL fans cut and paste an awful trade non stop.
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 34
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I'd be surprised if Monahan brought back much more than a 3rd. And I don't think he's a fit with the Avs anyhow.


No doubt a great deal depends on when Monahan returns, what he does and whether he’s still healthy at the deadline.

To spin the conversation a little, do you think they add a 2C before the deadline?
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 35
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Literally MTL fans have to stop. Monahan isn’t worth a first. COL isn’t giving up a first for him. The dude hasn’t played in almost 2 months but MTL fans cut and paste an awful trade non stop.


He already brought them a 1st, anything else is the proverbial gravy.
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 40
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Ah, the Montreal Greatest Hits, all in one place:
1. Josh Anderson for a ton;
2. Joel Edmundson for the Ben Chiarot return;
3. Cal Petersen and a first because LA has to move the $5 million cap hit; and the zombie that simply WILL . NOT . DIE:
4. Thirty games of Sean Monahan with 50% retention to Colorado for their 2023 first.


The fact that all of theses trades are based on the price that Kent Hughes ask for theses players show how he is a great GM and show for others teams thinks that Habs fans are ''allways'' delusional.......
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 45
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No doubt a great deal depends on when Monahan returns, what he does and whether he’s still healthy at the deadline.

To spin the conversation a little, do you think they add a 2C before the deadline?


I wouldn't say it's impossible and there are always surprises but I do think it's highly unlikely. A "true" 2C - someone like Horvat - is going to cost way too much and is likely to be a rental which the Avs simply will not pay the price for. To me, one of the best ideas floated is Henrique; he'd be worth giving up that 2024 first if the Ducks retained. The second-best option is probably Toews but I doubt that works out. If I had to lay odds on the Avs picking up someone that could plug-and-play at 2C, I'd say it's 85/15 that it doesn't happen.
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 45
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I'd be surprised if Monahan brought back much more than a 3rd. And I don't think he's a fit with the Avs anyhow.


You know Detroit got a 3rd just for retaining 25% of Savard salary at 2021 trade deadline right?
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26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 46
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What do you think those type of dmen cost at the deadline? GMs have seen plenty of Edmundson in the playoffs, the body of work at that time of year is impressive. People said the same about Chiarot last year and Savard the year before that.


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Seattle need a down-pairing dmen who have somes greats playoffs experience (like Edmundson who went twice to the SCF and won a cup back to 2019).


I don't doubt that the Habs might extract a first round pick from someone for Edmundson this deadline, I just don't think it'll be from the Kraken. Edmundson just isn't enough of an upgrade over Carson Soucy to make that kind of investment worthwhile, and Seattle has plenty of defensemen already with extensive playoff experience. Their issue is more one of depth, since as a new franchise they don't have a surplus of manpower if multiple guys are hurt at once. So if they end up trading for a defenseman, in my opinion it'll be a smaller depth deal for a 7/8th blueliner, not a blockbuster.
26 janv. 2023 à 14 h 49
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I wouldn't say it's impossible and there are always surprises but I do think it's highly unlikely. A "true" 2C - someone like Horvat - is going to cost way too much and is likely to be a rental which the Avs simply will not pay the price for. To me, one of the best ideas floated is Henrique; he'd be worth giving up that 2024 first if the Ducks retained. The second-best option is probably Toews but I doubt that works out. If I had to lay odds on the Avs picking up someone that could plug-and-play at 2C, I'd say it's 85/15 that it doesn't happen.


Umm Horvat is on pace for 53 goals. He’s more than a “true 2C”this season, hence the high price.
 
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