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Vancouver Canucks signed Andrei Kuzmenko (2 Years / $5,500,000 AAV)

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27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 26
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Quoting: Brian2016
On paper this is an excellent signing. Just not sure what the longterm plan is. His stock is super high right now. Why not cash in and stock up on high draft picks?


His stock isn't actually that high, his trade value is rumored to be no higher than a late 1st. The chances of getting the same value for a player picked in the 20's as Kuzmenko is probably around 50-60%
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 26
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
This is a prime example of how bad teams stay bad.


I...don't understand, Kuzmenko isn't part of the problem
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 28
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Why sign him, he's done well sure but i don't get why you'd sign him


Cause whether you agree or not, management believes they can turn things around within a 3 year window. They don't believe they need to rebuild. Look, they didn't experience what went on with the previous regime the way we did, so we can't expect them to have the same recency bias as we do
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 29
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Quoting: python3504
a core piece of a rotten apple.


Have a little patience, and before ya know it, that apple should ripen
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27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 30
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Quoting: mk458
Never said he was an rfa or anything more than a rental... Just that his cap hit is low and 20+ teams are currently up against the cap. Did you even read my comment???


The flat cap is one thing, but track record and sample size is another, something of which Kuzmenko doesn't have a lot of. That matters, and managers usually aren't comfortable buying high in those scenarios
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27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 31
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Quoting: aadoyle
Imagine the return he would have got especially at 50% retained

Teams right up against the cap like Tampa would have paid a premium for that contract

But nope instead of gaining assets just extend the guy and stay meh

Watch they gonna buy out Garland rather than trade him next


Kuzmenko was a pending UFA, Brandon Hagel WAS NOT. Good god
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 31
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
And yet, you signed Miller to 9/8 years... He's your captain, sign him to that contract


That's not the contract Miller got
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 32
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Quoting: nintendofan721
Good contract but why would he have wanted to extend with this organization?


Cause it's not our business to know all the conversations that go on inside that organization, including those which he is involved in. He see's all this from a different perspective than we do obviously
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 33
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Quoting: Tintin
I vote no.
In a vacuum this is likely a very good signing.
In the context of the 2023 Canucks it's a very bad one.

This decision (along with extending JT) will lock this core into yet another decade of perpetual mediocrity when what they really needed was to trade Kuzmenko for futures.

Underwhelming prospect pool, horribly flawed roster construction, no cap flexibility long-term or short-term.
If they don't luck into Bedard this summer I cannot see this core ever making a finals appearance, let alone winning the cup.


WTF? This team isn't locked into mediocrity, you wait and see
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 34
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Quoting: dopplsan
This is the epitome of a “tradable.”

Good for VAN.


Or maybe not quite tradeable enough
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 36
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Quoting: majormoose007
Great contract but it's the wrong team who's signing it


How? Kuzmenko isn't part of the problem here. It's not just about money, it's about roster construction as well
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 37
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Quoting: Sparkyboi_GoCanes
It's a great contract but it buys only 2 UFA years and he could've gotten a haul at the deadline. Idk what Vancouver is doing at this point lmao, but I love Kuzy and hope he enjoys Vancouver. I just don't see the point of signing Kuzmenko for 2 years and with a M-NTC when apparently they're cleaning shop everywhere else. If they we're gonna sign someone it should've been Horvat.....


Kuzmenko was NOT getting a haul at the deadline. Jesus Christ, some of you guys are CLUELESS
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 38
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Quoting: OutDoorRinkBoy
Good contract, doesn't really make sense tho.


Why not, Kuzmenko isn't the problem in Vancouver
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 38
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
The only thing that comes to mind is: Nikita Gusev


Salty much?
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 44
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
a real half-ass of a contract. The AAV is fine if you think he's gonna be a solid 30 goal scorer, but he's only 26 - why not give him more term than 2 years? I think that's the part that sticks out more to me - it's noncommittal. too scared to try and cash him in as a rental this year but too wishy washy to commit to him long term - why not lock him in for 5-6 years at that AAV seeing that you're going to be paying JT Miller & OEL big money for those years??


OEL is probably getting bought out if not this coming off-season, than next off-season or the one after. I think Miller will bounce back. The real reason Kuzmenko isn't locked up long-term is because he doesn't have a huge sample size to go off of, AND he isn't as productive as Kirill Kaprizov
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27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 53
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Kuzmenko was a pending UFA, Brandon Hagel WAS NOT. Good god


Does not matter teams are right up against the cap and at 50% retained Kuzmenko costed 475k and a team like Tampa or VGK would have paid a premium for that contract.


As he's on pace for 40 goals so a 1st+ was not out of the question
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27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 55
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Quoting: aadoyle
Does not matter teams are right up against the cap and at 50% retained Kuzmenko costed 475k and a team like Tampa or VGK would have paid a premium for that contract.


No they wouldn't have. Flat cap is one thing, COST CERTAINTY going forward is a whole other
27 janv. 2023 à 4 h 58
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
No they wouldn't have. Flat cap is one thing, COST CERTAINTY going forward is a whole other


Either way van fumbled a potential golden opportunity well they get another chance with Horvat but from the looks of things more disappointments coming as if Rasmussen is the guy they want they truly got no idea what they want that team to be
27 janv. 2023 à 8 h 30
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Very short-sighted of you


says you. we will wait and see in a year or 2 and see who was right.
27 janv. 2023 à 9 h 30
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Kuzmenko is a lot cheaper than Horvat obviously


Because Horvat is the better player
27 janv. 2023 à 9 h 32
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
That's not the contract Miller got


My bad... 8/8. Horvat is >>>>>>>> better than Miller+1.5 mill. My point of "sign your captain" still stands
27 janv. 2023 à 10 h 2
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
No guarantee that the Canucks stay mediocre forever, it's just a lazy assumption


It's literally written in the sky. From the ownership, to the management team, to the players. It screams mediocrity.
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27 janv. 2023 à 10 h 50
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Salty much?


I am over it. Hopefully for Canucks fans, Kuzmenko turns out to be better.
27 janv. 2023 à 11 h 39
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Bye bye Boeser.. baby goodbye.
27 janv. 2023 à 13 h 56
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Why? This team needs to move the players that have been around for some years, not their newly acquired players. Kuzmenko's trade value wasn't even that high


Kuzmenko's ELC is probably one of if not the most valuable contract in the league thats moveable

I see it like the Brendan Hagel trade last season, his very good play along with his contract was super valuable to a cap strapped team like Tampa, obviously Kuzmenko was a UFA not an RFA so the return wouldn't be quite the same but I don't see how there isn't a huge push from many teams to get him, he definitley had good value, now he's only locked up by VAN for the years where they will still suck and sell off other pieces around him

Maybe they'll trade him still next season if he really pops off and its totally worth it to have not traded him now but this was a good chance to cash in on something you knew you had instead of gambling
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