I’d be cool with the bruins doubling that offer for jeannot at least

Could probably get more. Voit is undersized in the CHL which is a big gamble for players like that.

Gotta give up at least 3 1sts. One for each goal Jeannot scores

Not one of those pieces is enticing enough to consider moving Jeannot. He's not worth the farm, but he's worth more than the mange riddled coyote you got as a return for him here.

Gee I thought the OHL's leading scorer was worth at least that many 1sts though.

He's small so that means he's worthless on this site. But big slower guys who hit and scored way more than they should have are worth as many 1sts as goals they score

Scored way more than he should have? How dare those opposing goalies intentionally let in goals, so the big, slow guy doesn't get his feelings hurt.

I don't think it's just on this site that Voit isn't worth much, or that size is the only concern with him. I don't see any scouts or experts outside of Leafs bloggers rating him as anything more than a longshot to make it.

Cool story and yes a 3rd line grinder who goes on a tear and scores on 21% of his shots is scoring way more than he should. Jeannot is basically Matt Martin

Are you sure Matt Martin's the best comparable to Jeannot? Martin's a guy who's never come anywhere close to breaking 20 goals in a season, and got paid too much by the Leafs. Martin's more of an Engvall - if Engvall ever used his size for something other than getting things off a high shelf for people.

Except Engvall is a great skater, can play all 3 forward positions, kills penalties and also is super good defensively. If Engvall every had a season where he scored on 21% of his shots, he'd score 30. Hell if Matt Martin ever had a season where he shot 20% he would have multiple 20 goal seasons. No one scores on that high of a shot percentage, the league average is 10% and Jeannot doesn't have an above average shot. He's just so so overrated.

Engvall can't play center, he's 15th for the Leafs in average short handed minutes, and has too many gaffes to ever be considered "super good defensively". Yes, he's a great skater - in the parts of the rink he goes to (everywhere but the corners or the front of the net).

I know you have this obsession over shooting %. Maybe Jeannot's is unusually high because he does go to the dirty areas Engvall is too scared to go to?

Engvall gets crapped on for absolutely nothing, it's hilarious. He is very good defensively which is why he plays on the shutdown line with Kampf and Kerfoot. That line gets more dzone starts than literally everyone else in the league. Or at least did so last year and they had very favorable underlying metrics. It's undeniable that he's a very good bottom 6 forward. He can in fact play centre but you'd rather him play on the wing, he's pretty bad in the dot but his skating and range make him effective outside of faceoffs. I think why there is so much hate for him is because he doesn't hit enough, but everything else he brings to the table makes him a good player.

If he would have shot the same percentage as Jeannot last year, he would have scored 30 goals. So what does Jeannot do that Engvall can't? Hit some guys sometimes? Cool

Engvall would have way more goals, if he was better at shooting? Can't argue with that, I suppose.

I don't understand your obsession with negging physical players. All the rest of Leafs nation can't stop caterwauling about their players injuring themselves bumping into a Pred, every time our teams face each other (Kampf the other night, Kase last season). Not just against NSH, but every time they play a physical team it's always "where's our response" "we need a Tom WIlson type". Maybe, just maybe try and bring in someone who can play physically, and see if that doesn't help you in the playoffs?

Not Jeannot or Trenin though. Y'all can have your pick of Jankowski or Cole Smith.

You just refuse to look at facts. Jeannot may never again score at that rate. If he's lucky he scores on 10 percent of his shots. He's a 10 goal scorer on average. Engvall is good for 15 goals and 30 points with very good defensive play and play driving. It's only debatable for those who just don't get it.

Why is Jeannot lucky to score on 10% of his shots moving forward, but Engvall is "good" for 15 goals and 30 points, when he's only done that in one of his seasons. Why are you insisting Engvall is good defensively, like Jeannot isn't? Why are Jeannot's physicality, strength, work ethic not points in his favour in your arguments, while Engvall's mental mistakes, softness, tendency to float are never brought up as points against him?

Why am I still wasting my time trying to break through your specious arguments? Goodnight.

That's the league average, so perhaps not lucky but he's certainly not a sniper so I expect 8-9% shooting over his career which will result in 8-12 goals a year. Engvall gets tough defensive assignments on an a top 5 defensive team. Jeannot doesn't get hard matchups and plays on a much worse defensive team. But somehow Engvall sucks and Jeannot is the best ever. Keep him, he's nothing special

Jeannot plays 15+ minutes a night, but Hynes specifically plays him in roles where he shuts down opposing teams top 6’s. Saying he “doesn’t get hard matchups” would be good evidence that you don’t really ever pay much attention to any team other than your own.

“Engvall gets tough defensive assignments on a top 5 defensive team”
Yeah, cool, he’s also very big and lacks any physical grit, makes way too much money and was a liability in last years playoffs.

Keep him, he’s nothing special.

A liability eh? Where did you pick that up? Obviously not by watching any games or checking out advance stats or anything real, but some really smart people on here say stuff and now it's law because if enough leaf haters believe something then it's true right?