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Créé par: pensfan21
Équipe: 2022-23 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 24 janv. 2023
Publié: 24 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
PIT
  1. Monahan, Sean (3 187 500 $ retained)
MTL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
2.
NYI
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
3.
PIT
ARI
  1. McGinn, Brock
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
4.
PIT
  1. Korpisalo, Joonas
Détails additionnels:
Idk if they want Rutta but need ideas for backup goalies we can get
CBJ
  1. DeSmith, Casey
  2. Rutta, Jan
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
5.
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2025
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8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
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NMC
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 6
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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3 187 500 $3 187 500 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 1
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4 150 000 $4 150 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
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UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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825 000 $825 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
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6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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4 025 175 $4 025 175 $
DG
UFA - 3
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2 343 750 $2 343 750 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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3 125 000 $3 125 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 2
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900 000 $900 000 $
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UFA - 1
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775 000 $775 000 $
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24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 59
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I don’t c much incentive for NYI to do this. At this point I’d rather retain on Beau at 50% for the rest of his contract in hopes of getting a better return than this.
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25 janv. 2023 à 0 h 45
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No reason at all for CBJ to do that. We don’t need DeSmith, Rutta isn’t a fix for our D corps, and a 4th and a 5th aren’t enough compensation to take on Rutta’s salary, let alone give you Korpisalo. Pass.
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25 janv. 2023 à 8 h 32
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CHI is definitely not doing that.
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25 janv. 2023 à 9 h 5
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Horvat, Monahan , Domi , Accari and Bonino are the top 5 Centers available who arent injured past the TDL.
50% faceoff win rate always gets even the poorest players paid at the Trade Deadline.
Plekanec had a career worst before playing for TML in the playoffs , got 2nd round pick and 2 prospects we flipped for Kulak.
Staal was playing so bad they talked about sending him to the AHL because he was so slow he was dragging BUF team down.
MTL paid a 2nd and a 4th round pick i believe it was for him
Hanzal was only off LTIR long enough to be acquired play a few games then return to it . He got a 1st , 2nd and 4th round picks

Plenty of lesser Centers like Barbashev will go for less
But True Centers wont be given away as 20 NHL teams are buying looking for Depth for a playoff run.
Its so scarce out there teams are looking at Faksa , Dvorak and even Duchene are drawing a lot of interest despite their attached term
Teams know that no matter who they face in the playoffs if they're not built to take out TBL or COL they'll fail leaving many teams willing to pay high price's to compete.(including TBL and COL who help drive up the prices by overpaying for players)


After Horvat sets the market high Monahan will by proxy land a 1st round pick and a prospect atleast
Even Domi and Accari are likely to land a 1st round pick and a Prospect based on their ability as role players
Bonino has an outside shot of a 1st round pick or a couple 2nd round picks


Plus we got to Factor in Hughes was overpaid for ever single trade he made last TDL.
He had Conditions attached out the wazoo sure but it was all part of his strategy.
Gotta figure he'll have the same thing happen here too
Mesar, Hutson, Guindon, Barron ,Top 10 FLA pick this year , 5th round pick in 2023 ,2nd round pick in 2024 , 7th round pick in 2024 and the 2 older prospects Heineman/Smilinac.
All that for Toffoli , Chiarot, Kulak, and Lehkonen. No one thought a 1st was possible for any of them alone nor did they see the yield they got as possible.
But Hughes understands the Market is Supply vs demand and while more Aggressive with the pure UFA's if he doesnt have to be rushed he'll hold out for more like with Lehkonen demanding an asset no one else was offering and getting it in exchange for leaving more lucritive offers on the table.
25 janv. 2023 à 9 h 28
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Quoting: Not_Isles5513
I don’t c much incentive for NYI to do this. At this point I’d rather retain on Beau at 50% for the rest of his contract in hopes of getting a better return than this.


Im pretty sure whether we need him or not MTL would make an offer.
It likely wouldnt include a 1st round pick but more likely Dvorak with RS to allow you to use him until the TDL after a summer deal then move him at the TDL if he hasnt overachieved.
Not one for one but nothing crazy either as the value would have to be found in the RS of lets say 1/3rd of his salary .
Whether NYI choose to RS when moving Dvorak wont stop offers from coming in with him at 3m cap
Maybe find a way to have VGK pay you to exchange Dvorak for Karlsson who's offense could be re-ignited on a team that doesnt push him to the 3rd line shutdown role when Chandler and Eichel show up.
Cap savings and term are 2 things VGK are desperate for after having to give away their Reigning Vezina winner then pay to move a player who was 47pts in 49 in his last games there, due to cap strain/no leverage to make deals other then at a loss to be cap compliant (atleast as close as they have to be without major blowback)

Actually you could just do an outright 3 way trade
MTL get Beuvillier
VGK gets Dvorak at 3m cap
NYI get Karlsson (it works Capwise as long as Parise doesnt get more then 3m ish)
25 janv. 2023 à 9 h 46
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I have an idea for a backup goalie. Casey Desmith
25 janv. 2023 à 9 h 47
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Quoting: Billy739
Horvat, Monahan , Domi , Accari and Bonino are the top 5 Centers available who arent injured past the TDL.
50% faceoff win rate always gets even the poorest players paid at the Trade Deadline.
Plekanec had a career worst before playing for TML in the playoffs , got 2nd round pick and 2 prospects we flipped for Kulak.
Staal was playing so bad they talked about sending him to the AHL because he was so slow he was dragging BUF team down.
MTL paid a 2nd and a 4th round pick i believe it was for him
Hanzal was only off LTIR long enough to be acquired play a few games then return to it . He got a 1st , 2nd and 4th round picks

Plenty of lesser Centers like Barbashev will go for less
But True Centers wont be given away as 20 NHL teams are buying looking for Depth for a playoff run.
Its so scarce out there teams are looking at Faksa , Dvorak and even Duchene are drawing a lot of interest despite their attached term
Teams know that no matter who they face in the playoffs if they're not built to take out TBL or COL they'll fail leaving many teams willing to pay high price's to compete.(including TBL and COL who help drive up the prices by overpaying for players)


After Horvat sets the market high Monahan will by proxy land a 1st round pick and a prospect atleast
Even Domi and Accari are likely to land a 1st round pick and a Prospect based on their ability as role players
Bonino has an outside shot of a 1st round pick or a couple 2nd round picks


Plus we got to Factor in Hughes was overpaid for ever single trade he made last TDL.
He had Conditions attached out the wazoo sure but it was all part of his strategy.
Gotta figure he'll have the same thing happen here too
Mesar, Hutson, Guindon, Barron ,Top 10 FLA pick this year , 5th round pick in 2023 ,2nd round pick in 2024 , 7th round pick in 2024 and the 2 older prospects Heineman/Smilinac.
All that for Toffoli , Chiarot, Kulak, and Lehkonen. No one thought a 1st was possible for any of them alone nor did they see the yield they got as possible.
But Hughes understands the Market is Supply vs demand and while more Aggressive with the pure UFA's if he doesnt have to be rushed he'll hold out for more like with Lehkonen demanding an asset no one else was offering and getting it in exchange for leaving more lucritive offers on the table.


If Domi and Accari get firsts and prospects, or Bonino gets a first, we are living in a simulation haha
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25 janv. 2023 à 10 h 1
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I have an idea for a backup goalie. Casey Desmith


He's brutal
25 janv. 2023 à 10 h 19
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A lot of people seem to think MTL scores a 1st rd pick for Monahan. You can debate his value from a skills standpoint all you want, but eating half of a 6M$ contract (regardless of how little time is left in the season) still has value.

Value is based on supply and demand. Many competitive teams are up against the cap, meaning cap space will be valued. The Habs don’t mind retaining some salary on some deals, but that cap space has more value than some of you think it does.
25 janv. 2023 à 10 h 44
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If Domi and Accari get firsts and prospects, or Bonino gets a first, we are living in a simulation haha


Its just good luck for teams selling that so many teams arent .
On top of that Ryan Oreilly going down hurt the Market
As has Toews reluctance to waive his NMC for anyone so most team accept it'll likely be his choice not bidding war.
Even Derek Grant going down helped drive up the value as less quality piece's that would usually get a 2nd and a prospect arent there.

The less Centers you have the more value those remaining have in a buyers market.
Even if 15/20 contenders choose to let 5 teams get an advantage on them uncontested
There's still a shortage of quality past the top 5 options listed.

If another player goes down like a Horvat god forbid then all the remaining 4 has their value increase.
As would the Lesser Center's value's by proxy

In Today's NHL COL , TBL and STL all made moves including O'reilly , Lehkonen and Miller to highlight just one of the many moves each made to stay ontop.
Sitting on your hands wont get you there, neither will a complete Rebuild as you have a dominant looking core with some good depth pieces and a few holes.
What holes Roy and Cormier dont fill the draft pick cant fix i'm sure you can find by moving Karlsson to a 3rd team.

While its true VGK gets better you just helped feed the beast the devour's itself due to lack of longterm vision.
Sure they're better this year and maybe even next but after that they have to coninuously sacrifice depth to moved out deals to stay compliant.
The rate they're going when the Stars stop signing in VGK without full NMC , it will leave basically them basically like ARZ , just with nicer Casino's.

Best thing that could happen for you is he overachieve there so much this year they re-sign him next year with term and a NMC.
You'll have Roy who's a Powerfoward with speed and size who's got a great shot and even more untapped potential signed to a sweetheart deal with term.
Cormier is the guy you want behind EK65 soaking in all he has to offer as Cormier is a slick playmaker with a high hockey IQ and smooth quick strides.
Even as soon as 1 more season after this one it could be viewed clearly as SJS winning the trade even before we know who they used their 1st round pick to snatch up.

This is real talent and a pick in an overpay because VGK is desperate they need to win now as whether they like it or not their window is closing on a lot of their guys atleast in VGK. They traded away many of their asset's so like FLA i think they'll be forced into a year where retooling is a clear necessity now if you plan on winning .All because they moves away all their picks and prospects to land a lot of established players. That's the Path VGK have been going down for some time

But like i said i like your NJD trade it makes sense.
For Some reason i just see Grier taking Mccrimmon to the cleaners and convincing him it was all his idea lol
25 janv. 2023 à 10 h 54
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He's brutal


He isn't though. He literally had the same numbers as Jarry over the last like 3 years coming into this season. He's had one bad month. These are crazy overreactions
25 janv. 2023 à 11 h 5
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Its just good luck for teams selling that so many teams arent .
On top of that Ryan Oreilly going down hurt the Market
As has Toews reluctance to waive his NMC for anyone so most team accept it'll likely be his choice not bidding war.
Even Derek Grant going down helped drive up the value as less quality piece's that would usually get a 2nd and a prospect arent there.

The less Centers you have the more value those remaining have in a buyers market.
Even if 15/20 contenders choose to let 5 teams get an advantage on them uncontested
There's still a shortage of quality past the top 5 options listed.

If another player goes down like a Horvat god forbid then all the remaining 4 has their value increase.
As would the Lesser Center's value's by proxy

In Today's NHL COL , TBL and STL all made moves including O'reilly , Lehkonen and Miller to highlight just one of the many moves each made to stay ontop.
Sitting on your hands wont get you there, neither will a complete Rebuild as you have a dominant looking core with some good depth pieces and a few holes.
What holes Roy and Cormier dont fill the draft pick cant fix i'm sure you can find by moving Karlsson to a 3rd team.

While its true VGK gets better you just helped feed the beast the devour's itself due to lack of longterm vision.
Sure they're better this year and maybe even next but after that they have to coninuously sacrifice depth to moved out deals to stay compliant.
The rate they're going when the Stars stop signing in VGK without full NMC , it will leave basically them basically like ARZ , just with nicer Casino's.

Best thing that could happen for you is he overachieve there so much this year they re-sign him next year with term and a NMC.
You'll have Roy who's a Powerfoward with speed and size who's got a great shot and even more untapped potential signed to a sweetheart deal with term.
Cormier is the guy you want behind EK65 soaking in all he has to offer as Cormier is a slick playmaker with a high hockey IQ and smooth quick strides.
Even as soon as 1 more season after this one it could be viewed clearly as SJS winning the trade even before we know who they used their 1st round pick to snatch up.

This is real talent and a pick in an overpay because VGK is desperate they need to win now as whether they like it or not their window is closing on a lot of their guys atleast in VGK. They traded away many of their asset's so like FLA i think they'll be forced into a year where retooling is a clear necessity now if you plan on winning .All because they moves away all their picks and prospects to land a lot of established players. That's the Path VGK have been going down for some time

But like i said i like your NJD trade it makes sense.
For Some reason i just see Grier taking Mccrimmon to the cleaners and convincing him it was all his idea lol


I mean I appreciate the depth and time of your comment.

But I have no idea what you're trying to say lol. I don't know where all the VGK talk is coming from or my NJD trade. I think maybe this was supposed to be directed at someone else?
25 janv. 2023 à 11 h 29
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He isn't though. He literally had the same numbers as Jarry over the last like 3 years coming into this season. He's had one bad month. These are crazy overreactions


It's not, he's either been extremely inconsistent or hurt. Last year it was the same, had a horrible stretch at the start then was good towards the end. Just isn't a reliable backup
25 janv. 2023 à 13 h 58
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It is though. He's been one of the better backups in the league for years now. He had the same numbers as Jarry coming into the season - **** Jarry's been inconsistent too his career. Backups aren't consistent - they don't get consistent playing time. Desmith was good up until January. He's had literally had one bad month where we all agree to team in front of him isn't playing well either.

He's way better than Korpisalo. Even during his struggling start last year he was better than Korpisalo. It's a clear overreaction
 
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