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Meier Trade

Créé par: Chedderbob313
Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 24 janv. 2023
Publié: 24 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Meier Trade

Resolution: Compromise 2

Compromise 2 is truly a win win for both organizations.

Ensuring long term security in New Jersey and not losing any one in their current top 9, while supplying San Jose with younger, cheaper and promising talent and helping give them a path for their rebuild. This trade addresses needs for both teams and will drastically shape each organization over the course of the next 7 years.
Transactions
1.
NJD
    Shaks Ask for:
    Timo Meier RW 26
    SJS
      Simon Nemec RD 19
      Alexander Holtz RW 21
      Yegor Sharangovich F 25
      2023 NJD 1st
      2.
      NJD
        Timo Meier RW 26
        SJS
          Devils Take:
          Alexander Holtz RW 21
          Shakir Mukhamdulin RD 21
          Andreas Johnsson F 27
          2023 NJD 1st
          3.
          NJD
            Compromise 1:
            Timo Meier RW 26
            SJS
              Alexander Holtz RW 21
              Shakir Mukhamdulin RD 21
              Yegor Sharangovich F 25
              Andreas Johnsson F 27
              2023 NJD 1st
              4.
              NJD
                Compromise 2
                Timo Meier RW 26
                Ext: $9 x 7-$63M
                SJS
                  Simon Nemec RD 19
                  Alexander Holtz RW 21
                  Andreas Johnson F 27
                  2023 NJD 2nd (*Conditional)
                  *2023 NJD 1st w/ Finals Appearance
                  5.
                  SJS
                  1. Holtz, Alexander
                  2. Johnsson, Andreas
                  3. Nemec, Simon
                  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
                  Détails additionnels:
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                  24 janv. 2023 à 21 h 20
                  #1
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                  The Devils are not trading Nemec for Meier and if they do it would be one for one.
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                  24 janv. 2023 à 21 h 20
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                  Meier for Holtz + Johnsson + 1st is pretty even

                  Adding Nemec is just obnoxious
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                  24 janv. 2023 à 21 h 23
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                  Ask 1 doesn't even get a response.
                  That's just silly

                  Edit: these all won't happen
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                  24 janv. 2023 à 21 h 29
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                  P.K speaking about the rumors of Meier to NJ. Usually when you start hearing broadcasting reporting rumors its getting close.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 21 h 29
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                  Quoting: Smitty426
                  Ask 1 doesn't even get a response.
                  That's just silly

                  Edit: these all won't happen


                  I feel like Holtz and a 1st is similar to Faber and a 1st but Holtz is somewhat better but you’re getting Meier for an extra playoff run so it evens it out. I’m pretty high on Faber tho
                  24 janv. 2023 à 21 h 53
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                  Far, far too much. Holtz and/or Nemec won’t be included unless Meier is extending at crazy low AAV. (Nor Luke Hughes).

                  Would also need to be an even amount of contracts exchanged, unless Sharks are dumping guys elsewhere before this deal.

                  Lastly, is this with an extension or without? And is Bratt extending before Meier? If extending Meier at big number meant Bratt walks in 2024, will NJD fans be okay with that?

                  Sometimes the best moves are the trades we don’t make.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 1
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  Far, far too much. Holtz and/or Nemec won’t be included unless Meier is extending at crazy low AAV. (Nor Luke Hughes).

                  Would also need to be an even amount of contracts exchanged, unless Sharks are dumping guys elsewhere before this deal.

                  Lastly, is this with an extension or without? And is Bratt extending before Meier? If extending Meier at big number meant Bratt walks in 2024, will NJD fans be okay with that?

                  Sometimes the best moves are the trades we don’t make.


                  You're not getting Timo without Holtz or a prospect of similar value. That's very plain to see. Nemec obviously isn't going to work for NJ.
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                  24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 4
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                  Quoting: csick
                  I feel like Holtz and a 1st is similar to Faber and a 1st but Holtz is somewhat better but you’re getting Meier for an extra playoff run so it evens it out. I’m pretty high on Faber tho


                  I think that sounds about right, but Faber was probably more expendable for LAK (Doughty, Roy, Clarke, Durzi, Spence, etc). Holtz really isn’t in NJ.

                  My guess was - Prospect like Mukhamadullin or Gritsyuk along with a 1st if done at draft, add another 1st or 2nd and another prospect if done at deadline.

                  Ballpark…
                  Muk + 2023 1st (at or near draft)
                  Muk + 2023 1st + 2024 1st (at deadline with extension)
                  Gritsyuk + 2023 1st (draft)
                  Gritsyuk + 2023 1st + 2024 2nd + Zetterlund (deadline)
                  Casey + 2023 1st (draft)
                  Casey + 2023 1st + 2024 2nd + Bahl (deadline).

                  …with $8m to $8.25m extension (for both Meier and Bratt).

                  Otherwise not worth it.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 9
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                  Quoting: sleeparc
                  You're not getting Timo without Holtz or a prospect of similar value. That's very plain to see. Nemec obviously isn't going to work for NJ.


                  If it’s Holtz or no deal, it’s probably no deal.

                  There are other fish in the sea.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 38
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  If it’s Holtz or no deal, it’s probably no deal.

                  There are other fish in the sea.


                  Its not Holtz or nothing, its just that it has to be Holtz level or better.

                  A Timo trade has to hurt you or its not fair in the slightest
                  24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 42
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                  Quoting: papishark
                  Its not Holtz or nothing, its just that it has to be Holtz level or better.

                  A Timo trade has to hurt you or its not fair in the slightest


                  If a Timo trade hurts us, we are definitely not doing it. It should help us.

                  Look at post #8. The value is there. Doesn’t need Holtz to be included.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 45
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  If a Timo trade hurts us, we are definitely not doing it. It should help us.

                  Look at post #8. The value is there. Doesn’t need Holtz to be included.


                  The only one I consider there is Muk + 2023 1st + 2024 1st
                  The centerpiece cant be a prospect with bottom six potential.

                  I dont think you should be concerned about a draft trade, because deadline is what we are currently looking at
                  24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 55
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                  Quoting: papishark
                  The only one I consider there is Muk + 2023 1st + 2024 1st
                  The centerpiece cant be a prospect with bottom six potential.

                  I dont think you should be concerned about a draft trade, because deadline is what we are currently looking at


                  Draft day is easier to draw consistent comps. Deadline could end up being like Mark Stone deal if Meier’s list is small.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 23 h 2
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  Draft day is easier to draw consistent comps. Deadline could end up being like Mark Stone deal if Meier’s list is small.


                  At this point, the message is you make the right offer then you get to talk to Meier. Obviously that package wont happen if he doesnt sign, but I dont see him turning down a deal with the devils once they make the right offer.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 23 h 10
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                  Quoting: papishark
                  At this point, the message is you make the right offer then you get to talk to Meier. Obviously that package wont happen if he doesnt sign, but I dont see him turning down a deal with the devils once they make the right offer.


                  I am fully confident Fitzgerald has the pieces to satisfy Grier’s requests. It’s more on Meier’s contract expectations and where he wants to play.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 23 h 17
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  I am fully confident Fitzgerald has the pieces to satisfy Grier’s requests. It’s more on Meier’s contract expectations and where he wants to play.


                  Theres no way to get into his head, but I feel like NJ is very much up his alley. Young team starting to do well, fantastic centers to play with, big city life, friend on the team.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 23 h 20
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                  Quoting: Shaners79
                  P.K speaking about the rumors of Meier to NJ. Usually when you start hearing broadcasting reporting rumors its getting close.


                  I missed the ESPN broadcast, what did PK say?
                  24 janv. 2023 à 23 h 28
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  I think that sounds about right, but Faber was probably more expendable for LAK (Doughty, Roy, Clarke, Durzi, Spence, etc). Holtz really isn’t in NJ.

                  My guess was - Prospect like Mukhamadullin or Gritsyuk along with a 1st if done at draft, add another 1st or 2nd and another prospect if done at deadline.

                  Ballpark…
                  Muk + 2023 1st (at or near draft)
                  Muk + 2023 1st + 2024 1st (at deadline with extension)
                  Gritsyuk + 2023 1st (draft)
                  Gritsyuk + 2023 1st + 2024 2nd + Zetterlund (deadline)
                  Casey + 2023 1st (draft)
                  Casey + 2023 1st + 2024 2nd + Bahl (deadline).

                  …with $8m to $8.25m extension (for both Meier and Bratt).

                  Otherwise not worth it.


                  If YOU had your choice who would it be Muk or Grits?
                  I'm guessing Muk as the D is pretty crowded
                  24 janv. 2023 à 23 h 36
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                  Quoting: Smitty426
                  If YOU had your choice who would it be Muk or Grits?
                  I'm guessing Muk as the D is pretty crowded


                  Muk is at best a 3-4 dman. That isn't landing you a 40 goal power forward in his prime. Let's be realistic.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 23 h 43
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                  Quoting: Smitty426
                  If YOU had your choice who would it be Muk or Grits?
                  I'm guessing Muk as the D is pretty crowded


                  If I knew Gritsyuk was signing (no reason to think he won’t), I would say keep him, send Mukhamadullin.

                  (Fitzy would probably do the opposite).

                  If I am Grier, Mercer would be my first ask. Am surprised we haven’t seen him in more of these.
                  24 janv. 2023 à 23 h 47
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                  Quoting: sleeparc
                  Muk is at best a 3-4 dman. That isn't landing you a 40 goal power forward in his prime. Let's be realistic.


                  A future top 3-4 dman, at 21-years old, plus two 1st round picks should be plenty.
                  25 janv. 2023 à 7 h 8
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                  Quoting: NotDougWilson
                  I missed the ESPN broadcast, what did PK say?


                  Just saying that he hears the Meier trade rumors and that it would be a perfect fit
                   
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