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I saw this as a basis of a Meier trade to NJ. I know there would have to be other parts for it to work, but what do you guys think. Do you think we have a chance of getting Meier? Let me know what you guys think.
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24 janv. 2023 à 20 h 40
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Meier 50% for Holtz 23 1st and a 3rd.
Reimer for blackwood and Walsh
if that was the offer i would accept but as mentioned above seems weak.
24 janv. 2023 à 20 h 44
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
Meier 50% for Holtz 23 1st and a 3rd.
Reimer for blackwood and Walsh
if that was the offer i would accept but as mentioned above seems weak.


I just saw that like I said as a basis of a trade. I'm sure there would be more parts involved.
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24 janv. 2023 à 20 h 47
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I just saw that like I said as a basis of a trade. I'm sure there would be more parts involved.


If we’re were giving up this I’d probably ask for Shak. Mukh. and maybe a roster player like Sharangovich Would you go for that?
24 janv. 2023 à 20 h 49
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I just saw that like I said as a basis of a trade. I'm sure there would be more parts involved.


to be fair Blackwood has little to no value so his return would be as a cap dump (makiniemi will be in the NHL next year with Kahkonen) that’s why i would ask for another pick or player added. but yea Reimer and Meier to NJD seems like a perfect fit. you guys have a deep enough prospect pool to absorb the loss in picks and prospects and have the cap to resign Meier and Reimer as well is you guys wanted to. and the return would give the sharks a better chance at a faster rebuild.
24 janv. 2023 à 20 h 51
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If we’re were giving up this I’d probably ask for Shak. Mukh. and maybe a roster player like Sharangovich Would you go for that?


I don’t see NJD giving up Shar or mukh. and if they did the 1st would be off the table probably.
personally Walsh Holtz and the 1st seem a better fit.
24 janv. 2023 à 21 h 2
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I don’t see NJD giving up Shar or mukh. and if they did the 1st would be off the table probably.
personally Walsh Holtz and the 1st seem a better fit.


Me personally, I don't want to trade Holtz at all. I think he will be a good player in the NHL. BUT, you have to give to get and Meier is a great player.
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24 janv. 2023 à 21 h 13
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Meier makes sense. I don't see a fit with the goaltending though for either team
24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 13
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If we’re were giving up this I’d probably ask for Shak. Mukh. and maybe a roster player like Sharangovich Would you go for that?


Mukhamadullin + Sharangovich would on the lower end of what Sharks could get. Cannot see Devils passing on that. But there is likely a pick or two involved.
24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 19
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Me personally, I don't want to trade Holtz at all. I think he will be a good player in the NHL. BUT, you have to give to get and Meier is a great player.


But the frustrating thing for me is that all of these deals ask for Holtz to be included, when in reality, Devils have a ton of other assets for Grier to chose from. I doubt Fitzgerald will be unable to meet their price. And I doubt Grier hangs it all on Holtz being included.

The sticking point will be Meier’s contract number. We have other mouths to feed.
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But the frustrating thing for me is that all of these deals ask for Holtz to be included, when in reality, Devils have a ton of other assets for Grier to chose from. I doubt Fitzgerald will be unable to meet their price. And I doubt Grier hangs it all on Holtz being included.

The sticking point will be Meier’s contract number. We have other mouths to feed.


Exactly. I agree 100%. The only good thing is we are talking to SJ about Meier and they are apparently allowing all teams to talk to Meier's agent about a contract extension. Another good thing is that if we miss out on Meier its not the end of the world. We missed out on Gaudreau and signed Palat, looks pretty good to me. Even if Fitzy doesn't make a move before the deadline, I'm ok with that. Let's ride it out and see how far this young core can go as is this season.
24 janv. 2023 à 22 h 36
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Exactly. I agree 100%. The only good thing is we are talking to SJ about Meier and they are apparently allowing all teams to talk to Meier's agent about a contract extension. Another good thing is that if we miss out on Meier its not the end of the world. We missed out on Gaudreau and signed Palat, looks pretty good to me. Even if Fitzy doesn't make a move before the deadline, I'm ok with that. Let's ride it out and see how far this young core can go as is this season.


Good argument to be made to save our ammo for summer move. If jumping soon puts Bratts future in Jersey at risk, it’s not worth it. Losing him would change the teams identity.
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Good argument to be made to save our ammo for summer move. If jumping soon puts Bratts future in Jersey at risk, it’s not worth it. Losing him would change the teams identity.


Did Fitzgerald or Bratt's agent say anything about an extension? He should be able to sign one right now right?
25 janv. 2023 à 8 h 15
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Mukhamadullin + Sharangovich would on the lower end of what Sharks could get. Cannot see Devils passing on that. But there is likely a pick or two involved.


I meant those guys in addition to what was presented in this post
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I meant those guys in addition to what was presented in this post


Mate, Blackwood + Holtz + 2023 1st + Mukhammadulin + Sharangovich would be far higher than what Jack frickin Eichel got.
In terms of pure value it'd be close to what the Panthers had to give for Tkachuk.
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If we’re were giving up this I’d probably ask for Shak. Mukh. and maybe a roster player like Sharangovich Would you go for that?


So, leaving the Reimer/Blackwood swap out since its a wash. For Meier, you'd ask for....

Alexander Holtz
Shakir Mukhamadullin
Yegor Sharangovich
2023 1st round pick

That is roughly twice the anticipated return.
25 janv. 2023 à 10 h 51
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Mate, Blackwood + Holtz + 2023 1st + Mukhammadulin + Sharangovich would be far higher than what Jack frickin Eichel got.
In terms of pure value it'd be close to what the Panthers had to give for Tkachuk.


If they are going to stick to wildly unrealistic returns, they should just ask for Jack Hughes and Nico Hischier.
25 janv. 2023 à 11 h 25
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Mate, Blackwood + Holtz + 2023 1st + Mukhammadulin + Sharangovich would be far higher than what Jack frickin Eichel got.
In terms of pure value it'd be close to what the Panthers had to give for Tkachuk.


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So, leaving the Reimer/Blackwood swap out since its a wash. For Meier, you'd ask for....

Alexander Holtz
Shakir Mukhamadullin
Yegor Sharangovich
2023 1st round pick

That is roughly twice the anticipated return.


I'd still give Reimer and you could keep Blackwood, so...

Timo Meier
James Reimer

2023 NJ 1st
Yegor Sharangovich
Shakir Mukhammadulin
Alexander Holtz

I've seen many posts, including posts from a New Jersey perspective, with Meier for Sharangovich, Holtz, and the 1st. This makes sense as it's a 1st, a solid prospect, and a young roster player, which is the outline for many trades. Mukhammadulin for Reimer probably favors SJ a bit, so I'd be willing to add something small, like a 3rd or an ok prospect.
25 janv. 2023 à 11 h 55
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I'd still give Reimer and you could keep Blackwood, so...

Timo Meier
James Reimer

2023 NJ 1st
Yegor Sharangovich
Shakir Mukhammadulin
Alexander Holtz

I've seen many posts, including posts from a New Jersey perspective, with Meier for Sharangovich, Holtz, and the 1st. This makes sense as it's a 1st, a solid prospect, and a young roster player, which is the outline for many trades. Mukhammadulin for Reimer probably favors SJ a bit, so I'd be willing to add something small, like a 3rd or an ok prospect.


Use comps...

Fiala = Faber, 1st = Mukhamadullin, 1st
Debrincat = 1st, 2nd, 3rd = 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Reinhart = Levi, 1st = Brennan, 1st
Rakell = Simon, Aston-Reese, Clang, 2nd = Smith, McLeod, Brennan, 2024
Buchnevich = Blais, 2nd = Zetterlund, 2nd
Stone = Brannstrom, Lindberg, 2nd = Casey, Johnsson, 2nd
Duchene = Abramov, Davidsson, 1st = Stillman, Salminen, 2024 1st
Tatar = 1st, 2nd, 3rd = 1st, 2nd, 3rd
ROR = Grigorenko, Zadorov, Compher, 2nd = Holtz, Okhotiuk, Salminen, 2nd
Havlat = Preissing, Hennessy, Barinka, 2nd = Walsh, Thompson, Okhotiuk, 2nd

...they will give you the likely range of possible returns.


Sharangovich, Holtz, Mukhamadullin, 1st would be well outside that range and closer to the packages Jack Eichel and Rick Nash got
25 janv. 2023 à 18 h 0
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Use comps...

Fiala = Faber, 1st = Mukhamadullin, 1st
Debrincat = 1st, 2nd, 3rd = 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Reinhart = Levi, 1st = Brennan, 1st
Rakell = Simon, Aston-Reese, Clang, 2nd = Smith, McLeod, Brennan, 2024
Buchnevich = Blais, 2nd = Zetterlund, 2nd
Stone = Brannstrom, Lindberg, 2nd = Casey, Johnsson, 2nd
Duchene = Abramov, Davidsson, 1st = Stillman, Salminen, 2024 1st
Tatar = 1st, 2nd, 3rd = 1st, 2nd, 3rd
ROR = Grigorenko, Zadorov, Compher, 2nd = Holtz, Okhotiuk, Salminen, 2nd
Havlat = Preissing, Hennessy, Barinka, 2nd = Walsh, Thompson, Okhotiuk, 2nd

...they will give you the likely range of possible returns.


Sharangovich, Holtz, Mukhamadullin, 1st would be well outside that range and closer to the packages Jack Eichel and Rick Nash got


to be honest I'm not familiar with the trades from Stone onward as I hadn't really been watching hockey then, but I think Meier has more value than all the other guys.
25 janv. 2023 à 19 h 49
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to be honest I'm not familiar with the trades from Stone onward as I hadn't really been watching hockey then, but I think Meier has more value than all the other guys.


Probably....

Stone
DeBrincat
Havlat
Meier
Fiala
Duchene
Buchnevich
Tatar
Rakell

...hard to match up. And ask me tomorrow and I'll probably have a different answer.
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Probably....

Stone
DeBrincat
Havlat
Meier
Fiala
Duchene
Buchnevich
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Rakell

...hard to match up. And ask me tomorrow and I'll probably have a different answer.


seems about right. The only one above Meier I'm familiar with is DeBrincat and I think those guys are pretty close. And I've seen reports that Meier will get less than DeBrincat. We'll see though, I think Meier is underrated but I would bet that every fanbase thinks their players are underrated.
25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 37
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seems about right. The only one above Meier I'm familiar with is DeBrincat and I think those guys are pretty close. And I've seen reports that Meier will get less than DeBrincat. We'll see though, I think Meier is underrated but I would bet that every fanbase thinks their players are underrated.


They are all pretty close….intended that way to use as comps.
 
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