Quoting: Jimbo1119
1. Cost. Who knows what that 1st becomes, or if Z. Jones is the next Nils, or if Krav finds his way. But in this Cap era, no team is ever done compiling prospects and building from within. And 1 more thing about prospects...maybe if NYR prospect pool were set up more like BUF or DAL prospect pools I'd be more willing to part with the 2023 1st...but reality is beyond Jones, the only prospect projected for "quick" impact at NHL is Othmann- yet I'd like to see him play beyond junior before I rush to that judgement. NYR are not done building the prospect pool.
2. Chemistry- the assumption is made this is no issue because the way he has played with Panarin...but there others on ice, on the bench, in locker room, etc. Chemistry is always a question when the lineup is changed- ESPECIALLY changed with a main piece.
3. What is really being improved? It might be unfair to say Kane is what this year's #'s say...but any semblance of truth there- and Kane has become a PP specialist. Will that help NYR? I guess- but where most help is needed on this team is 5X5 play. I think the current roster already has the players to have a lethal PP..."More lethal" not really a bonus if 5x5 play continues to lag.
4. Health- in a league where health and injury info is kept air tight, most info out there about Kane's hip is probably noise...but doesn't mean to disregard. Especially as NHL players get though early 30's, injuries- not just debilitating, but also nagging injuries- become much more prevalent.
5. Beyond this year- The ONLY certainty...unless there is a major roster shakeup, Kane will not be a NYR come training camp 2023.
NYR already have another 1st round pick, making this different than the 2010s in my opinion. In addition, even if Nils or Krav find their way, Nils had no place on the NYR roster behind Fox, Trouba, and Schneider, all who will solidly be the RD for the next 5 years. Kravstov can essentially be replaced "long term" by Othman or Cuyle... it's not like Kravstov has been showing much of anything with his chances in the top 6, etc. Regarding Jones, he had a fair shot at being the LD with Schneider, and it didn't work. Schneider seems to work best with a big and heavy defenseman (Harpur this year, Braun last year). NYR should not pair a small skill defenseman with Schneider if they want the best out of him. The 3rd pair has been lights out since Harpur has been put in, even if that sounds extremely silly to say. This is why I view Jones as extremely expendable, as there's simply no room for him, and he is supposed to be "good". Might as well get something for him
I'm really not sure what the chemistry point is about... I don't think Kane has ever had a reputation or history of being a bad teammate. He's won 3 Cups and been on one team his whole career. Obviously this is a risk with any player you acquire, draft, etc. This is a moot point in my book, unless it's special cases like "confirmed" locker room problems
You don't think the team is improved 5 on 5 in the proposed lines...? I'm fairly astounded. You get a "real" top line right wing in Kane, and you move down your current top line player to the middle six as a result. I'm very confused how this doesn't improve 5 on 5 play, which is what NYR needs the most, and fairly obviously does... Kane has "bad" stats this year, but he's playing on arguably the worst team in the League, talent wise
The valid point is Kane won't be back, unless NYR move on from Chytil and Kane takes a very team friendly deal, or the cap improves more than expected. It's definitely intended to be a rental on my part. I view all the pieces being moved for Kane as expendable pieces that likely won't be around next year regardless. Whether they are moved for Kane, for other pieces, or simply not signed. Instead of getting a bunch of depth pieces like bogdown suggested, I would rather use our expendable pieces on one that'd really make a difference
I don't know what sport we are all watching, but NYR made the conference finals last year... the expectation has absolutely got to be to continue on that trajectory. The rebuild is over. There are still plenty of prospects and picks with these 3 pieces gone. I don't think NYR are awful status quo, but getting a "real" top line RW is really the only thing they need this TDL, and Kane is the absolute best choice right now, especially given the Panarin connection