Still way too much for Kane. The Rangers don't need to waste assets on Kane. They should strengthen their bottom six and defensive depth with Motte, Jeannot, Kulikov, Schenn, Acciari, Gavrikov etc.

What is the obsession with Kane? Everyone seems to live in a fairly land thinking they trade for him and it means a cup. The Rangers made countless deals like that in the 2010’s and guess what they never worked. Repeating the mistakes of yesterday will further destroy any chance this team has at one day winning a cup. Teams that win cups develop from within and surround those guys with talent. The biggest issue is how impatient people are and that’s what will be the downfall of this team.

... Jeannot? What? Dude is having a down year but he's not going to be some cheap acquisition. NSH is also reasonably in the hunt.

Besides the fact that making this move obviously bolsters the bottom 6... as you can see, there is Kreider.....

The 4th line has been playing well right now, and the middle six is as improved as the top line with this move. Harpur and Schneider have been extremely solid together. I'm not entirely sure what you are getting at

And how does acquiring one player destroy the idea of "develop from within"? Nearly half of this roster was drafted by NYR, or acquired at very young ages? Kravstov is just not going to make it on this team. NYR wants to win now, letting go of him is a small price to pay.

Patrick Kane is an extremely different case of other players NYR have gotten as rentals... one is a first ballot Hall of Famer, the other is Eric Staal... there's really no comparison. NYR have the expendable assets to make this move without hurting their future in any noticeable way.

The very idea you mention first ballot hall of fame is part of the problem. We should not be paying for his past prowess and performance in the playoffs. You should pay for future performance. I am not confident that his future performance is worth anywhere near what the price to acquire him will be. Simple as that. And the notion that the picks and guys you gave up is how you end up with an empty cupboard just like the 2010’s. If anything a move for Senko would make a little more sense given his scoring ability, but he is often hurt.

Schenn for Kravtsov?

2 different perspectives here. Let me start by saying it's refreshing to see the way Hockeyboy goes against against the impatience which for sure has derailed this team in the past. The thing is...it's not really about their willingness to go all in at TDL- it's reckless risk taking. It actually starts with an assessment of the group. Is this team REALLY P. Kane away winning the Cup? I say no...so with this assessment- why give up premium assets for someone who wont be here next year- when this group (should) be much more ready to push hard and compete for the Cup?

And MVP, no disrespect to your opinion...you seem to think that because it is P. Kane we are talking here- that the risk is acceptable to take on to try to win this year. If that is your take- then fair enough...I just see it as short sighted. Reason being- my assessment of the risk they take on with getting Kane:
1. Cost. Who knows what that 1st becomes, or if Z. Jones is the next Nils, or if Krav finds his way. But in this Cap era, no team is ever done compiling prospects and building from within. And 1 more thing about prospects...maybe if NYR prospect pool were set up more like BUF or DAL prospect pools I'd be more willing to part with the 2023 1st...but reality is beyond Jones, the only prospect projected for "quick" impact at NHL is Othmann- yet I'd like to see him play beyond junior before I rush to that judgement. NYR are not done building the prospect pool.
2. Chemistry- the assumption is made this is no issue because the way he has played with Panarin...but there others on ice, on the bench, in locker room, etc. Chemistry is always a question when the lineup is changed- ESPECIALLY changed with a main piece.
3. What is really being improved? It might be unfair to say Kane is what this year's #'s say...but any semblance of truth there- and Kane has become a PP specialist. Will that help NYR? I guess- but where most help is needed on this team is 5X5 play. I think the current roster already has the players to have a lethal PP..."More lethal" not really a bonus if 5x5 play continues to lag.
4. Health- in a league where health and injury info is kept air tight, most info out there about Kane's hip is probably noise...but doesn't mean to disregard. Especially as NHL players get though early 30's, injuries- not just debilitating, but also nagging injuries- become much more prevalent.
5. Beyond this year- The ONLY certainty...unless there is a major roster shakeup, Kane will not be a NYR come training camp 2023.

NYR already have another 1st round pick, making this different than the 2010s in my opinion. In addition, even if Nils or Krav find their way, Nils had no place on the NYR roster behind Fox, Trouba, and Schneider, all who will solidly be the RD for the next 5 years. Kravstov can essentially be replaced "long term" by Othman or Cuyle... it's not like Kravstov has been showing much of anything with his chances in the top 6, etc. Regarding Jones, he had a fair shot at being the LD with Schneider, and it didn't work. Schneider seems to work best with a big and heavy defenseman (Harpur this year, Braun last year). NYR should not pair a small skill defenseman with Schneider if they want the best out of him. The 3rd pair has been lights out since Harpur has been put in, even if that sounds extremely silly to say. This is why I view Jones as extremely expendable, as there's simply no room for him, and he is supposed to be "good". Might as well get something for him

I'm really not sure what the chemistry point is about... I don't think Kane has ever had a reputation or history of being a bad teammate. He's won 3 Cups and been on one team his whole career. Obviously this is a risk with any player you acquire, draft, etc. This is a moot point in my book, unless it's special cases like "confirmed" locker room problems

You don't think the team is improved 5 on 5 in the proposed lines...? I'm fairly astounded. You get a "real" top line right wing in Kane, and you move down your current top line player to the middle six as a result. I'm very confused how this doesn't improve 5 on 5 play, which is what NYR needs the most, and fairly obviously does... Kane has "bad" stats this year, but he's playing on arguably the worst team in the League, talent wise

The valid point is Kane won't be back, unless NYR move on from Chytil and Kane takes a very team friendly deal, or the cap improves more than expected. It's definitely intended to be a rental on my part. I view all the pieces being moved for Kane as expendable pieces that likely won't be around next year regardless. Whether they are moved for Kane, for other pieces, or simply not signed. Instead of getting a bunch of depth pieces like bogdown suggested, I would rather use our expendable pieces on one that'd really make a difference

I don't know what sport we are all watching, but NYR made the conference finals last year... the expectation has absolutely got to be to continue on that trajectory. The rebuild is over. There are still plenty of prospects and picks with these 3 pieces gone. I don't think NYR are awful status quo, but getting a "real" top line RW is really the only thing they need this TDL, and Kane is the absolute best choice right now, especially given the Panarin connection

I think you’ve laid out a pretty decent framework for why you think this works, but I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one which is perfectly okay in my opinion.

To your 1st point- this does seem to be much of the justification for burning that 1st on a rental. I beg to differ, though. I don't look at any pick or prospect as expendable. That said, they are assets- which can (and should, when appropriate) be moved for other assets. And (my opinion here) the more premium the asset, the more the team should be looking at a return beyond the immediate.

As far as your chemistry point...I think you misunderstood my initial point...has nothing to do with possibility of a locker room cancer. My point is you never know how players will mesh with others. The conclusion is that Panarin and Kane will pick up where they left off. That's actually a reasonable assumption. But how about if Kane and Zib don't hit it off? I mean in a hockey sense. And TDL to season end is a short period to get this answer. Perfect example is Trocheck/Panarin...no issues there with the players or personalities- but they have displayed almost zero chemistry together on the ice.

As far as 5X5 play- sure on paper it looks like this team should be better...but who knows what the infusion of Kane would do to the lines. Gallant's "model" for a line seems to combine a passer with a shooter, with a defensive forward. Don't think Pan-Zib-Kane satisfies this model...but you never know- maybe Gallant does veer from his model due to the star players involved here.

Regarding the conference finals run...sure was fun to watch- but much of their success was based on Shest standing on his head. Great having a lights out goalie- but I would be real careful to judge what this team really is when it was really based on how far Shest took them. And in all honesty, not much has changed. So you can add Kane, Meier, or Horovat...and the team still will really go only as far as the goalie will let them. Why? Because guys like Kakko, Miller, and Chytil are still just scratching the surface as to what they can be. And others like LaF, Schneider, and Krav (if he stays around) still have an awful lot to learn. That's more than 25% of the roster just mentioned...w/o mention of a few more players in bottom 6 and bottom pair who NYR realistically need to upgrade. So yeah- in my opinion this team is nowhere near the level of 3-4 other eastern teams and 2 or 3 western teams. They are not ready for a realistic Cup push. So rather than expend premium assets for unrealistic expectations, I feel it is a much better idea to move maybe a few distant prospects and/or later picks to upgrade the bottom 6, bottom pair, and provide some depth. And then- get behind Shest to again see how far he takes us!