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Créé par: MNHockey19
Équipe: 2022-23 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 23 janv. 2023
Publié: 23 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
MIN
  1. O'Reilly, Ryan (3 750 000 $ retained)
STL
  1. Lambos, Carson
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (MIN)
2.
MIN
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
OTT
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (MIN)
3.
MIN
  1. Toews, Jonathan (5 250 000 $ retained)
CHI
  1. Lorenz, Rieger [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
4.
MIN
  1. Schenn, Luke
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
VAN
  1. Greenway, Jordan
  2. Hartman, Ryan
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (MIN)
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2025
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
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-1 875 000 $-1 875 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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855 000 $855 000 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance600 000 $$600K)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
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1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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2 450 000 $2 450 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
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7 575 000 $7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 2
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
795 000 $795 000 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
DD
RFA - 1
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787 500 $787 500 $
G
UFA - 1
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1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
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850 000 $850 000 $
DD
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
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825 000 $825 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1

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23 janv. 2023 à 16 h 41
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I'd do it as a blues fan
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23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 3
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How does ROR get the equivalent of two 1st round picks and Dumba only gets a 2nd?
23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 8
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How does ROR get the equivalent of two 1st round picks and Dumba only gets a 2nd?


Pedigree mostly. O'Reilly is a defensively sound centerman with a conn smythe on his resume. Dumba is bang average.
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23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 10
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Quoting: BigShoots
Pedigree mostly. O'Reilly is a defensively sound centerman with a conn smythe on his resume. Dumba is bang average.

How is he defensively sound if he’s a team worst -28? I’m not paying for what he did in the past.
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23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 10
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OTT declines.

No interest in paying for declining Dumba
23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 24
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I wouldn’t offer more than a 3rd for ROR…then I’d sit back with a beer and a bag of popcorn watching all the dumb GMs get in a bidding war for him!
23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 27
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
How is he defensively sound if he’s a team worst -28? I’m not paying for what he did in the past.


As I say its the pedigree. He's having a bad yr but he has been a guy who can be the best guy in a playoff series as recently as a couple yrs ago.

Dumba is a depth piece at best.
23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 32
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Chicago accepts, but Davidson may try to negotiate that 2nd becoming a 1st if the Wild win the Cup and Toews plays so many playoff games and with a certain average TOI. (Which means your O'Reilly trade falls through.)
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23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 35
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The Vancouver deal is so bad for Minnesota. Guerin hasn't traded a 1st or especially a top prospect for rental, doubt he's starting now
23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 37
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Quoting: Wildnochance
The Vancouver deal is so bad for Minnesota. Guerin hasn't traded a 1st or especially a top prospect for rental, doubt he's starting now


I see it as good way to clear up some cap space next year
23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 38
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I see it as good way to clear up some cap space next year


Hartman is cheap at like 1 or 2mil
23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 39
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Hartman is cheap at like 1 or 2mil


That's two rookie deals that can take his space, and hopefully take a step forward
23 janv. 2023 à 17 h 44
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That's two rookie deals that can take his space, and hopefully take a step forward


You would be better off just acquiring Schenn for a 2nd rather than giving VAN guys that hold value to other playoff teams, esp Hartman at $1.7M through next year and has a 30 goal year recently -- think similar to Hagel, not quite as much value, but def worth a 1st to the right team.
23 janv. 2023 à 18 h 1
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I really don't understand how ROR is worth more than Toews. Even if he is "worth more", it isn't by this wide of a margin. To each their own, I guess.

Either way, I think CHI probably accepts this proposal unless bidding gets crazy for Toews.
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23 janv. 2023 à 18 h 13
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Quoting: Garak
I really don't understand how ROR is worth more than Toews. Even if he is "worth more", it isn't by this wide of a margin. To each their own, I guess.

Either way, I think CHI probably accepts this proposal unless bidding gets crazy for Toews.


I mean, Toews has an iron clad NMC and has only ever played for the Hawks. He's rightfully gonna be pretty picky about his destination, if he decides to move. The market for him is just way more constricted.

ROR doesn't have any trade protection, so he's a natural option for someone looking for that profile of a player, but maybe can't get Toews.

I personally can't see ROR getting much more than Toews, regardless, but it's pretty easy to see why folks are notching his value higher.
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23 janv. 2023 à 18 h 49
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The Wild are not offering that to the Blues, one would presume.


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How is he defensively sound if he’s a team worst -28? I’m not paying for what he did in the past.


Heh. I love how +/- is always a stupid stat until it isn't. Never mind all the ENGs he's been on the ice for and all the Josh Leivo he's had to lug around this season, are you seriously trying to pretend ROR isn't a playoff warrior shutdown C? Really?
23 janv. 2023 à 19 h 11
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I mean, Toews has an iron clad NMC and has only ever played for the Hawks. He's rightfully gonna be pretty picky about his destination, if he decides to move. The market for him is just way more constricted.

ROR doesn't have any trade protection, so he's a natural option for someone looking for that profile of a player, but maybe can't get Toews.

I personally can't see ROR getting much more than Toews, regardless, but it's pretty easy to see why folks are notching his value higher.


Sure. The arguments for that kind of return are obvious. The arguments against it are just as obvious, IMO. Seems like an easy argument to win, to me, yet everyone on here treats this valuation of ROR with respect and validation. ROR is having a god awful season and is also a rental. I'm just surprised that so many people have bought into it, more than anything. But, I digress.

Depending on how the market shakes out for Toews, I think that trade is doable. But I also don't think he will be as picky as people make it seem. Even though he has every right to be, It's not like he has to commit anywhere long term.
23 janv. 2023 à 21 h 46
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Quoting: BigShoots
As I say its the pedigree. He's having a bad yr but he has been a guy who can be the best guy in a playoff series as recently as a couple yrs ago.

Dumba is a depth piece at best.


ROR is a 3rd line center at this point. How is he not a "depth piece at best"?

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The Wild are not offering that to the Blues, one would presume.




Heh. I love how +/- is always a stupid stat until it isn't. Never mind all the ENGs he's been on the ice for and all the Josh Leivo he's had to lug around this season, are you seriously trying to pretend ROR isn't a playoff warrior shutdown C? Really?


Are you going to pretend that ROR isn't declining? Ppg is down. Faceoff % down. +/- is a meh stat, except when you are the worst on your team by -8 and you missed 10 games already.
23 janv. 2023 à 22 h 6
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ROR is a 3rd line center at this point. How is he not a "depth piece at best"?

Are you going to pretend that ROR isn't declining? Ppg is down. Faceoff % down. +/- is a meh stat, except when you are the worst on your team by -8 and you missed 10 games already.


Heh. Funny stuff. Let's see if I can tidy this up for ya.

- ROR is NOT a 3C. That's just factually wrong and thematically delusional. He plays against top lines, guy. And the AGM author has him at 1C anyway.

- Even if he was only a 3C, that is not close to what "depth piece" means.

- I never said anything about not declining, but he was the team's best player in the playoffs last spring. Frankly, I just think it's been a Murphy's Law season for the whole team, and I also think that losing his ride-or-die Perron was a very big deal at the very beginning of the season, where most of his genuinely bad play occurred (one point, -12 through 10 games).

- Reducing O'Reilly to PPG shows a lack of understanding of all he does. And yes, his faceoff % is down this season, but still better than most, so... okay.

- Ya just skated right around my +/- comments, huh? And my point remains that all these on-ice stats (a ka not individual) require context beyond even things like ENGs against (which the Blues top the league in btw). Ya know... because there's five other guys contributing to that stat. And when you don't actually watch the player play, and you only use a stat sheet to "analyze play" - well, you get what you pay for.

Plus, as you can see, my initial contribution to this discussion was telling OP that Minnesota would not make this offer. I'm under no illusion that this is a good trade idea.
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23 janv. 2023 à 22 h 9
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O'Reilly definitely isn't worth that price to Minnesota, at the same time he would immediately go to the 1st line with Kaprizov and never removed.
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23 janv. 2023 à 22 h 27
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Heh. Funny stuff. Let's see if I can tidy this up for ya.

- ROR is NOT a 3C. That's just factually wrong and thematically delusional. He plays against top lines, guy. And the AGM author has him at 1C anyway.

- Even if he was only a 3C, that is not close to what "depth piece" means.

- I never said anything about not declining, but he was the team's best player in the playoffs last spring. Frankly, I just think it's been a Murphy's Law season for the whole team, and I also think that losing his ride-or-die Perron was a very big deal at the very beginning of the season, where most of his genuinely bad play occurred (one point, -12 through 10 games).

- Reducing O'Reilly to PPG shows a lack of understanding of all he does. And yes, his faceoff % is down this season, but still better than most, so... okay.

- Ya just skated right around my +/- comments, huh? And my point remains that all these on-ice stats (a ka not individual) require context beyond even things like ENGs against (which the Blues top the league in btw). Ya know... because there's five other guys contributing to that stat. And when you don't actually watch the player play, and you only use a stat sheet to "analyze play" - well, you get what you pay for.

Plus, as you can see, my initial contribution to this discussion was telling OP that Minnesota would not make this offer. I'm under no illusion that this is a good trade idea.


Cool, so I guess you'll be happy to keep him then.
24 janv. 2023 à 1 h 29
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
ROR is a 3rd line center at this point. How is he not a "depth piece at best"?

Pedigree. It's fine to believe in it. He's actually been an impact player. Dumba really hasn't ever.[/quote]
24 janv. 2023 à 8 h 9
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Quoting: BigShoots
Pedigree. It's fine to believe in it. He's actually been an impact player. Dumba really hasn't ever.


That’s certainly an opinion.
24 janv. 2023 à 12 h 54
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
That’s certainly an opinion.


The proposal says it all
24 janv. 2023 à 17 h 57
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The proposal says it all


Maybe for you.
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