not smart at all

What incentive do the Leafs have for that? The fit makes zero sense and expecting a team as cap strapped as Toronto to take on Petry's full caphit with that much term while getting NOTHING in return is insane. Timmins has been very solid for us and makes slightly more than league min.

Pretty much zero chance - imo - that Petry goes to leafs.

A "cowardly" deadline. Giving up on a playoff team while Sid, Geno, and Letang are still here is unacceptable and stupid.

The leafs want absolutely nothing to do with that petry contract, even if they needed a defender

no, this is awful lol. Buffalo won't want dumolin either. To move dumolin you're going to have to include something like a high pick or prospect.

Also why on earth would you trade Jarry?

What do you propose then?

That's how most people see it, but I think we should sell this deadline then reset for next year. Just my opinion, fine if most disagree

To get valuable draft picks. I dont think we make it in playoffs this year, but if we do we will play Boston or Carolina, which is an immediate knockout

All 6 games against CAR and BOS have been decided by one goal - and the Pens have had the lead in the 3rd period in half of those I'm pretty sure.

I wouldn't put my money on the Pens - and they clearly have issues - but I don't think it's impossible for them to compete in a playoff series against anybody. Especially if everyone is healthy

The penguins resigned letang and malkin to keep the big 3 together, they aren't going to be sellers until those three are done. Every season should be treated as going for it all. I'm not going to disagree on them getting beat by Carolina or boston, but to think that means they need to move everyone is silly. Resign Jarry, don't trade him.

That's how Carolina and Boston are though. Carolina is usually in close games because they ware you out so much and play such tight D. That's their system. And Boston usually hangs around all game then strikes in the end. It's not just us, that's how they've won a ton of their games. Also Winter Classic the ice is different and it slows both teams down. Once Bruins were in their rhythm they badly outskated us. And Hurricanes were skating circles around us the whole game too. I mean we got dominated by the Ducks too and Senators last night doubled our shots. Whether healthy or not this team has not been good.

What's the point then if were just going to get beat up by one of those teams. That's if we even make the playoffs. And that's a big if. Why not get ton's of draft capital this year and reset in the offseason. This is the way I see it. Either we continue to try and contend every year and slowly decline every year (which could go from bad to worse considering we may not even make playoffs this year). Or we take one year to sell and get picks, then retool the roster and get younger, and the players we draft this year will help the core win more games the next few years. We need more youth and this is about the only way to get it. I'm fine sacrificing one year if it means a better long term future.

Also what if we dont make playoffs this year? Or what if we lose first round again? Are we still trying to contend 4-5 years from now with the core if we miss playoffs or lose in first round year after year.

You think drafting a lot of players this year is going to show results next year and the year after for the penguins??? I give Sid/G/Tanger 2 more seasons tops, maybe.. maybe a 3rd where they're still impactful at a high level (sid will be until he retires), but to rely on that in the short term they have to literally hit home runs in the draft. I'd rather them use cap space in the offseason to sign FA's and bring up players like Puust/Nylander/poulin and see what they have given they've got exp. in the A already.

I don't mean to come off so rude, but I think it's an insult to Sid, Geno, Tanger, and the rest to not give everything you have while they are still here. You only have a few years left of the most successful core in team history. Giving up shouldn't be an option.

Your fine, I have no problem with people disagreeing. We all want a cup end of the day. I just think Hextall messed up the roster and we need to take this year to reset and get draft picks. I would rather sacrifice one year where its uncertain we make playoffs anyways in order to get more picks, younger talent, and hopefully contend for the end of the core's career. I see it as sacrificing one for 3-4 good years after, as opposed to 4-5 mediocre years of slow decline.

It will take a combination of draft picks and smart signings in free agency to reset for the next few years. I just think we need that reset or else there's no chance of a cup. This roster is badly flawed and I think we need to do something drastic to fix it. Or else I feel were in for years of just a slow decline, which is coming sooner than we expected. The Kings did the same thing and while they haven't had playoff success they have a mix of young prospects and the older core. They are still a playoff team now and have a bright future too. This is, imo better than where we at now where we aren't even a sure playoff team and have basically no prospect pool

The Kings did it when their stars were a bit younger though (Anze is 35 now, Doughty 33 and quick 36). it took them a couple years for it to work which means the pens stars will be basically in their final season IF it works out in the pens favor. Trying to fix this team in the short term through the draft ain't it. Hextall already put the dagger through the team. only option is to fire him and hire someone that can work some insane magic.

Well we do agree on the fact that Hextall should be fired. The disagreement is I think the damage cant be undone, which is why I'm of the thought that we might as well get draft picks out of it. We both agree he should be gone though at least.

If we think the only option is to completely retool and build through the draft, then they should look to trade letang and malkin as well, just blow the whole thing up. That's all i'm saying. I'd love to see them trick someone into taking Jeff Petry, let dumolin, heinen and blueger fall off the cap next season and trade kapanen. That opens almost $17 Million.

one of the most successful cores in NHL history imo. Might be biased but it's pretty rare to see three players of that caliber stay together for their entire careers, in any sport.

I dont disagree with any of this. Sadly I think that might be only option to get us out of this mess. Petrey Kapanen Carter tough to move. And by time their contracts are up our team will be significantly older

You're not wrong at all - that is their playstyle. I guess the optimist in me says if the Pens can keep it a 1 goal game against those teams all it takes is one lucky bounce or deflection. The playoffs can be weird.

I don' think I can agree on the healthy or not statement though. They did look bad against the Ducks and Sens for sure, but they still aren't healthy. This team was tied for 2nd with CAR when Petry went down. Then Archibald went down. Then Letang. Then Poehling. Then Jarry. Even Zucker and Pettersson missed a game here and there recently. They look bad right now - I'm not trying to defend that. I'm just saying I don't think it's crazy to believe a healthy Pens team would have a chance to beat one of those teams in a playoff series.

You can't move Carter, pens are stuck with that. Even if he retires the cap hit stays.