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Créé par: Dan_the_Man
Équipe: 2022-23 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Date de création initiale: 16 janv. 2023
Publié: 18 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Islanders hit a skid and become sellers. Not overly likely but it's possible.
Transactions
NYI
  1. Foote, Cal
  2. Namestnikov, Vladislav
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (TBL)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (TBL)
Rachats de contrats
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2023
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Logo de ANA
2024
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Logo de CHI
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $81 180 000 $0 $832 500 $1 320 000 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 8
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
4 800 000 $4 800 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Islanders de New York
750 000 $750 000 $ (Bonis de performance750 000 $$750K)
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
3 150 000 $3 150 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 7
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
800 000 $800 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Islanders de New York
1 450 000 $1 450 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
4 800 000 $4 800 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
842 500 $842 500 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
900 000 $900 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
2 950 000 $2 950 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
762 500 $762 500 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
850 000 $850 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2

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18 janv. 2023 à 15 h 4
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Its just not fair! The trade is, but Tampa's team is simply not fair
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18 janv. 2023 à 15 h 9
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I think it's fair value, I think a move that make this a little more interesting (to me at least) is swapping out Philippe Myers for Vlad Namestinkov. I believe the cap should work (Isles have room to retain if need be but: $1.12M in space on this ACGM + $1.425M of buried Myers hit = $2.545M of space; Namestinkov is a $2.5M AAV) and this means Tampa keeps a useful player for their bottom 6, gets the guys they want, and the Isles get a potential Scott Mayfield replacement - use the last 20 or so games to audition Myers as RD3, or let him spend the rest of his year in Bridgeport. Brent Thompson can't do a thing to develop a forward but he turns random scrubs into strong defensemen constantly - maybe some time with him will make Myers an affordable RD3 next year.
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18 janv. 2023 à 15 h 10
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isles accept
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18 janv. 2023 à 15 h 14
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
I think it's fair value, I think a move that make this a little more interesting (to me at least) is swapping out Philippe Myers for Vlad Namestinkov. I believe the cap should work (Isles have room to retain if need be but: $1.12M in space on this ACGM + $1.425M of buried Myers hit = $2.545M of space; Namestinkov is a $2.5M AAV) and this means Tampa keeps a useful player for their bottom 6, gets the guys they want, and the Isles get a potential Scott Mayfield replacement - use the last 20 or so games to audition Myers as RD3, or let him spend the rest of his year in Bridgeport. Brent Thompson can't do a thing to develop a forward but he turns random scrubs into strong defensemen constantly - maybe some time with him will make Myers an affordable RD3 next year.


He hasn’t done anything wrong with the forwards he has had in Bridgeport. He just hasn’t had any to develop. Closest thing to a good prospect that went thru Bridgeport when he was bench boss were Beau for a short stint and Verhaeghe….
18 janv. 2023 à 15 h 15
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isles accept


I’m down with this. Foote can play third pair minutes.
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18 janv. 2023 à 15 h 17
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Would Tampa shave this down to Mayfield for Foote and a 3rd? I think we re-sign Parise.
18 janv. 2023 à 15 h 36
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Quoting: Not_Isles5513
He hasn’t done anything wrong with the forwards he has had in Bridgeport. He just hasn’t had any to develop. Closest thing to a good prospect that went thru Bridgeport when he was bench boss were Beau for a short stint and Verhaeghe….


Not to derail this thread, but let's take a quick walk down this road. For reference, Brent Thompson was Bridgeport head coach in 2011-12, was an NHL assistant the next 2 seasons, and has been back in Bridgeport full-time since 2014-15. Let's look at some Islanders forward drafted in the 1st/2nd round since 2014:

2014: #5 OA Michael Dal Colle(138 AHL games before his NHL debut; 21 points in 112 NHL GP), #28 OA Josh Ho-Sang (172 AHL games & 53 NHL games before being let go)
2015: #16 OA Mat Barzal (0 AHL games), #28 OA Anthony Beauvillier (one 3-game "get yr head straight" stint in 2017-18)
2016: #19 OA Kieffer Bellows (125 AHL GP before NHL debut, 68 GP, 11-14-25 before being waived)
2018: #11 OA Oliver Wahlstrom (50 AHL GP before debut)
2019: #23 OA Simon Holmstrom (153 AHL GP before debut, 2 points in 18 NHL GP so far)
2020: #52 OA Aatu Raty (29 AHL GP before debut)

By my count, Dal Colle, Ho-Sang, Bellows, and (as of now) Holmstrom would qualify as 1st rounders that spent significant time in Bridgeport and have not lived up to their draft pedigree. Barzal, Beau, & Wahlstrom spent limited time in Bridgeport and while you might not love them all the time, I don't think you can argue that they're at least serviceable NHL players. Jury's out on Raty and Iskhakov so far, but fingers crossed he doesn't get too much time with them.

Not sure how much of that you can chalk up to Thompson and how much to organizational philosophy. And he's done some pretty good stuff with defenders - 3rd rounder Adam Pelech is an All-Star, Devon Toews spent a lot of time down there with him, Sebastian Aho is a 5th rounder who's become a solid NHL regular, hell, even 5th rounder Parker Wotherspoon and 7th rounder Kyle Burroughs have held their own at the NHL level. But I think it's kind of damning when you both look at the fact that the Isles' best homegrown offensive forwards spent zero time with him, and the fact that *that many* first round picks flamed out after spending extended time playing for him.
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18 janv. 2023 à 17 h 14
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
I think it's fair value, I think a move that make this a little more interesting (to me at least) is swapping out Philippe Myers for Vlad Namestinkov. I believe the cap should work (Isles have room to retain if need be but: $1.12M in space on this ACGM + $1.425M of buried Myers hit = $2.545M of space; Namestinkov is a $2.5M AAV) and this means Tampa keeps a useful player for their bottom 6, gets the guys they want, and the Isles get a potential Scott Mayfield replacement - use the last 20 or so games to audition Myers as RD3, or let him spend the rest of his year in Bridgeport. Brent Thompson can't do a thing to develop a forward but he turns random scrubs into strong defensemen constantly - maybe some time with him will make Myers an affordable RD3 next year.


If TB is swapping Myers for anyone it's Foote Not Namestnikov.
18 janv. 2023 à 17 h 50
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I really like this trade for both teams, good job - Isles accept
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18 janv. 2023 à 17 h 53
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I really like this trade for both teams, good job - Isles accept

Thanks
I try to be fair when I make them I've been told by more than one lightning fan I under value bolts players when I make trades.
18 janv. 2023 à 23 h 12
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
Not to derail this thread, but let's take a quick walk down this road. For reference, Brent Thompson was Bridgeport head coach in 2011-12, was an NHL assistant the next 2 seasons, and has been back in Bridgeport full-time since 2014-15. Let's look at some Islanders forward drafted in the 1st/2nd round since 2014:

2014: #5 OA Michael Dal Colle(138 AHL games before his NHL debut; 21 points in 112 NHL GP), #28 OA Josh Ho-Sang (172 AHL games & 53 NHL games before being let go)
2015: #16 OA Mat Barzal (0 AHL games), #28 OA Anthony Beauvillier (one 3-game "get yr head straight" stint in 2017-18)
2016: #19 OA Kieffer Bellows (125 AHL GP before NHL debut, 68 GP, 11-14-25 before being waived)
2018: #11 OA Oliver Wahlstrom (50 AHL GP before debut)
2019: #23 OA Simon Holmstrom (153 AHL GP before debut, 2 points in 18 NHL GP so far)
2020: #52 OA Aatu Raty (29 AHL GP before debut)

By my count, Dal Colle, Ho-Sang, Bellows, and (as of now) Holmstrom would qualify as 1st rounders that spent significant time in Bridgeport and have not lived up to their draft pedigree. Barzal, Beau, & Wahlstrom spent limited time in Bridgeport and while you might not love them all the time, I don't think you can argue that they're at least serviceable NHL players. Jury's out on Raty and Iskhakov so far, but fingers crossed he doesn't get too much time with them.

Not sure how much of that you can chalk up to Thompson and how much to organizational philosophy. And he's done some pretty good stuff with defenders - 3rd rounder Adam Pelech is an All-Star, Devon Toews spent a lot of time down there with him, Sebastian Aho is a 5th rounder who's become a solid NHL regular, hell, even 5th rounder Parker Wotherspoon and 7th rounder Kyle Burroughs have held their own at the NHL level. But I think it's kind of damning when you both look at the fact that the Isles' best homegrown offensive forwards spent zero time with him, and the fact that *that many* first round picks flamed out after spending extended time playing for him.


MDC and Ho-Sang would’ve flamed out either way. Bellows is probably the same way. Holmstrom isn’t bad tho.
18 janv. 2023 à 23 h 27
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MDC and Ho-Sang would’ve flamed out either way. Bellows is probably the same way. Holmstrom isn’t bad tho.


MDC was a consensus top-5 pick in his draft year - I know there's no guarantee of success but that's as close as you're gonna get in this league. The other guys were later picks, which can always be more volatile, but I do think it's hard to ignore that the only forwards the Isles have drafted that went on to become decent offensive players are the ones who didn't spend all that much time with their AHL coach.
18 janv. 2023 à 23 h 34
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
MDC was a consensus top-5 pick in his draft year - I know there's no guarantee of success but that's as close as you're gonna get in this league. The other guys were later picks, which can always be more volatile, but I do think it's hard to ignore that the only forwards the Isles have drafted that went on to become decent offensive players are the ones who didn't spend all that much time with their AHL coach.


Dal Colle couldn’t skate, Ho-Sang was a head case and Bellows couldn’t skate.
23 janv. 2023 à 14 h 6
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Would Tampa shave this down to Mayfield for Foote and a 3rd? I think we re-sign Parise.


You'd have to retain on Mayfield about 600k
27 janv. 2023 à 12 h 17
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Quoting: Boltsradynasty
You'd have to retain on Mayfield about 600k


Yeah I'd do that. Minimal dollars for us so no big deal.
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