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Trading Holtz

Créé par: Whalers7997
Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 18 janv. 2023
Publié: 18 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
This is not because he's horrible or lacking. It is because we can't find a place for him in this system.
Transactions
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NJD
  1. Henrique, Adam
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (COL)
ANA
  1. Boqvist, Jesper
  2. Holtz, Alexander
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
2.
NJD
  1. Delia, Collin
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
VAN
  1. Blackwood, Mackenzie
Détails additionnels:
agrees to an extension
3.
NJD
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (ARI)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2482 500 000 $77 956 250 $0 $615 000 $4 543 750 $
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5 450 000 $5 450 000 $
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UFA - 1
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C
UFA - 5
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
AD, C
RFA - 2
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2 375 000 $2 375 000 $
C, AG
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975 000 $975 000 $
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825 000 $825 000 $
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UFA - 1
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3 166 667 $3 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 1
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
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UFA - 6
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 3
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1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
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UFA - 1
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4 166 666 $4 166 666 $
DD
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750 000 $750 000 $
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UFA - 1
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789 167 $789 167 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
DG
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4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
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795 000 $795 000 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
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750 000 $750 000 $
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863 333 $863 333 $
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18 janv. 2023 à 12 h 50
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One head scratchingly awful move for the Devils followed by two declines. Henrique is not worth nearly that much, and Holtz is only 20. He can still develop into something great. Bernier has no trade value since he's still injured.
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18 janv. 2023 à 12 h 51
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Seems like a lot to part with for Henrique
18 janv. 2023 à 12 h 52
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Is this a serious trade?
18 janv. 2023 à 12 h 52
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Since when does Adam Henrique have anywhere close to that kind of value? Yeah makes total sense to give up Holtz for an aging 3C. If you're just giving away Holtz we'll take him for Vrana he has great chemistry with Lucas Raymond.
18 janv. 2023 à 12 h 53
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You're proposing to trade one of our top prospects and a 1st for an aging player on a sh*t contract
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18 janv. 2023 à 13 h 8
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Jesus dude, that's an overpay. We'll retain 50% on Rico and give you our own 2nd (~pick 37) instead of Colorado and you can hang onto Boqvist.

Quoting: Devsfan25
You're proposing to trade one of our top prospects and a 1st for an aging player on a sh*t contract


He's really not on a **** contract, he's earning his paycheck.
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18 janv. 2023 à 13 h 13
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I love Rico, but that’s not the kind of player who comes from trading a blue chip prospect this early, not to mention the other pieces included
18 janv. 2023 à 13 h 40
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
Jesus dude, that's an overpay. We'll retain 50% on Rico and give you our own 2nd (~pick 37) instead of Colorado and you can hang onto Boqvist.

Eggs-ACTLY my comment on adjusting the trade (except my prediction that our second will be no later than #36).
18 janv. 2023 à 13 h 42
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Did you click on Henrique instead of Terry by mistake?
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18 janv. 2023 à 14 h 56
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Be patient on Holtz....he will be fine
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18 janv. 2023 à 18 h 9
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
He's really not on a **** contract, he's earning his paycheck.

Actually, according to Dom's GSVA model he is not.
The model suggests that Henrique is about 200k overpaid, and will probably get worse in the last years of his deal.
It might not mean a lot to lottery team like the Ducks (trust me I get it) but a team looking to contend over the course of the next decade would do well not to enter that window of contention with a contract that's already looking rather iffy.

I do like Henrique though and I could see the case in the Devils trading for him with retention.
Though not for this suggested return, obviously.
18 janv. 2023 à 18 h 21
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Be patient on Holtz....he will be fine


People forget the kid is only 20 years old and hasn't even played 30 NHL games yet. Unless they're trading him for Timo Meier, the Devils should stay patient with him.
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18 janv. 2023 à 18 h 49
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Quoting: Tintin
Actually, according to Dom's GSVA model he is not.
The model suggests that Henrique is about 200k overpaid, and will probably get worse in the last years of his deal.
It might not mean a lot to lottery team like the Ducks (trust me I get it) but a team looking to contend over the course of the next decade would do well not to enter that window of contention with a contract that's already looking rather iffy.

I do like Henrique though and I could see the case in the Devils trading for him with retention.
Though not for this suggested return, obviously.


Dom's model also had his market value at 8.3 million last season, which is well in excess of his 5.6 cap hit. He is on pace for just a few points shy of last year, still looking to put up about 27 goals and ~50 points in total. He adjusted the model this off season as I recall, and updates the cards weekly. Next monday Henrique is probably back above board as he is on another scoring streak. However, the model likely needs some tweaking, and doesn't account for the realities of the cap environment. His model is good, but its nor perfect.

There's a lot of bad going on in Anaheim this season, Strome & Vatrano are not providing the scoring depth that is needed, so we went from two lines that could score last season to really just one. The fact that Henrique is potentially going to have a career high in goals this year, while having to constantly play against each teams best shutdown line, would point to him having one of the best years as far as offense goes. Against easier matchups, he could be tearing up the score sheet.

However, 200k of deficit this week does not make his current deal a sh*t contract, and at 2.9 mil, for this season and next, that will cost a premium to acquire.
18 janv. 2023 à 19 h 52
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Quoting: CalvinKlein
People forget the kid is only 20 years old and hasn't even played 30 NHL games yet. Unless they're trading him for Timo Meier, the Devils should stay patient with him.


Holtz is out-producing Meier at same age.

Honestly, it can be fun to mock trades to see what we could get for Holtz, but there is zero reason we should move him anytime soon.
18 janv. 2023 à 21 h 3
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Holtz is out-producing Meier at same age.

Honestly, it can be fun to mock trades to see what we could get for Holtz, but there is zero reason we should move him anytime soon.


It's a matter of where do we put him? Does he go on the third line, second line, or first line? Unless we move Nico to LW, place Mercer at C, and Holtz RW, moving Shango to the third line with Haula and Tatar.
18 janv. 2023 à 22 h 50
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Quoting: Whalers7997
It's a matter of where do we put him? Does he go on the third line, second line, or first line? Unless we move Nico to LW, place Mercer at C, and Holtz RW, moving Shango to the third line with Haula and Tatar.


Holtz is better on left side. I would envision…

Holtz - Hughes - Mercer
Palat - Hischier - Bratt
Gritsyuk - Sharangovich - Zetterlund
Foote - McLeod - Bastian

….as a base case lineup going forward (If Haula, Tatar, Wood walk in off season).

Thompson, Clarke, Filmon, and Salminen eventually mix in.
 
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