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Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 15 janv. 2023
Publié: 15 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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A defensive core in 2 years of Miller, Edvinsson & Wallinder on the left side and Seider, Hronek & Niemela on the right sounds terrific.
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  1. Niemelä, Topi
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
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  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler (2 375 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (DET)
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  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (WSH)
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  1. Kubalik, Dominik
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (DET)
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  1. Foegele, Warren
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (VGK)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (VGK)
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  1. Miller, K'Andre
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*Offseason Trade*
K’Andre Miller signs 6 year extension, $5.75m AAV
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  1. Johansson, Albert
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (WSH)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (VGK)
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15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 16
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I don't think Bertuzzi get you that much. His health alone drops his value

With that said for the right price I would not mind seeing him in TO
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15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 19
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Quoting: kous
I don't think Bertuzzi get you that much. His health alone drops his value

With that said for the right price I would not mind seeing him in TO

Yeah, he’s going to have to pick up his game for the next month for sure. He’s been really rusty his last 3 games since returning from injury however, he had a sweet shot between the legs attempt that would have been huge had he scored.

But again, a guy that plays a heavy game on both ends of the ice and can pull off finesse moves like a shot between the legs in tight is a really rare commodity.
15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 21
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Edmonton trade is the most reasonable, with the way Walman is playing, and Sundvists depth, plus the Foegele cap dump. That ought to cost a first. Maata probably only gets a 2nd at best. Kubalik is not getting a first, and doesn't get traded if Bertuzzi goes and considering the Vrana situation; a once glut of options on wing becomes a sizable hole or position of weakness.

The Bertuzzi trade, at present, is an overpay.

The Rangers trade...maybe, depending on the cap situation. Big gamble by the Rangers though.
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15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 28
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Edmonton trade is the most reasonable, with the way Walman is playing, and Sundvists depth, plus the Foegele cap dump. That ought to cost a first. Maata probably only gets a 2nd at best. Kubalik is not getting a first, and doesn't get traded if Bertuzzi goes and considering the Vrana situation; a once glut of options on wing becomes a sizable hole or position of weakness.

The Bertuzzi trade, at present, is an overpay.

The Rangers trade...maybe, depending on the cap situation. Big gamble by the Rangers though.

I agree with everything. I do however see Bertuzzi getting what he’s worth, which is what we’re getting here tho.

Kubalik for sure is NOT worth a 1st. I think he is an absolutely atrocious hockey player. He is an absolute abomination defensively and his forechecking is virtually nonexistent. It’s very obvious to me why he was non-tendered. So that trade is certainly wishful thinking.

NYR shouldn’t trade Miller; they need to find a way to get creative and extend him. But if he becomes available, I would love to have him.
15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 34
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Detroit won’t want to pay the price for miller that it’ll actually cost.
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15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 37
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Unless you’ve got a top 5 pick in the draft coming back you’re not in the ballpark. This trade doesn’t benefit the Rangers at all. If cap is such an issue Goodrow can be bought out or other moves made then taking a bad deal like the one presented above. I know you’d turn this down if the situation was flipped.
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15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 37
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I agree with everything. I do however see Bertuzzi getting what he’s worth, which is what we’re getting here tho.

Kubalik for sure is NOT worth a 1st. I think he is an absolutely atrocious hockey player. He is an absolute abomination defensively and his forechecking is virtually nonexistent. It’s very obvious to me why he was non-tendered. So that trade is certainly wishful thinking.

NYR shouldn’t trade Miller; they need to find a way to get creative and extend him. But if he becomes available, I would love to have him.


You might be right on Bertuzzi. With the way things have gone, I'm more inclined to think Bertuzzi stays though.

And Kubalik...he is Vrana lite. Every team needs an offense only guy that is dangerous in the right situations. His defense is not good, but in the last few games I've noticed a more physical game from him, so there is that.
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15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 48
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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448
Unless you’ve got a top 5 pick in the draft coming back you’re not in the ballpark. This trade doesn’t benefit the Rangers at all. If cap is such an issue Goodrow can be bought out or other moves made then taking a bad deal like the one presented above. I know you’d turn this down if the situation was flipped.


No arguments from me there. The cap situation could be a lot more complicated though, with Lafroniere is in offer sheet territory, and Montreal is not afraid to cap strap the Rangers. If that happens, any team will absolutely prey on whatever the Rangers try to do, to the point that they may wish they took a 1st and Albert Johanssen (who projects to be top 4).


I wouldn't gamble on a bunch of what it's before the deadline...cross the cap situation when it comes.
15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 53
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No arguments from me there. The cap situation could be a lot more complicated though, with Lafroniere is in offer sheet territory, and Montreal is not afraid to cap strap the Rangers. If that happens, any team will absolutely prey on whatever the Rangers try to do, to the point that they may wish they took a 1st and Albert Johanssen (who projects to be top 4).


I wouldn't gamble on a bunch of what it's before the deadline...cross the cap situation when it comes.


Imo in a worst case scenario, Laf gets offersheeted, but Miller gets signed no matter what. Harder to replace a top 4 d man with top 2 potential than a potential 1st-2nd line winger. We’d still have Othmann who looks like he’s ready to step in next year and play alongside Kakko, Kreider, Panarin, Zibanejad and Trocheck. Our top 6 would still be okay. And that’s not even mentioning someone like Chytil and Goodrow.
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15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 56
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Detroit won’t want to pay the price for miller that it’ll actually cost.

What do you suggest it would be? Also, what sort of contract do you expect Miller to command. I’ve seen rangers folks predicting a bridge deal around $4m a year and I am very skeptical of Miller’s camp considering that at all. Keep in mind my scenario is for the offseason.

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Unless you’ve got a top 5 pick in the draft coming back you’re not in the ballpark. This trade doesn’t benefit the Rangers at all. If cap is such an issue Goodrow can be bought out or other moves made then taking a bad deal like the one presented above. I know you’d turn this down if the situation was flipped.

I absolutely agree. If I’m the rangers, I’d move Lafreniere well before potentially losing Miller. I don’t believe it would ‘require’ a top 5 pick tho, but I know it would take quite a bit.
15 janv. 2023 à 20 h 58
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Miller would require Edvinsson, possibly Edvinsson+. The only reason he's not already considered the Rangers best Dman is that they have Adam Fox.
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You might be right on Bertuzzi. With the way things have gone, I'm more inclined to think Bertuzzi stays though.

And Kubalik...he is Vrana lite. Every team needs an offense only guy that is dangerous in the right situations. His defense is not good, but in the last few games I've noticed a more physical game from him, so there is that.

Man, I really hate watching him on the ice. Honestly, as effective as he’s been offensively (mainly on the PP), I’ve literally never seen a player whiff on so many one-timers. He’s good for one of those per game.
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Miller would require Edvinsson, possibly Edvinsson+. The only reason he's not already considered the Rangers best Dman is that they have Adam Fox.

Yeah, that would never happen. If only you guys didn’t have Jacob Trouba and his albatross contract, this wouldn’t even be a thought in anybody’s head.
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15 janv. 2023 à 21 h 1
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What do you suggest it would be? Also, what sort of contract do you expect Miller to command. I’ve seen rangers folks predicting a bridge deal around $4m a year and I am very skeptical of Miller’s camp considering that at all. Keep in mind my scenario is for the offseason.

I absolutely agree. If I’m the rangers, I’d move Lafreniere well before potentially losing Miller. I don’t believe it would ‘require’ a top 5 pick tho, but I know it would take quite a bit.


I think 3 years $4-4.5 mil on a bridge (like Sergachev let’s say). Otherwise $6-7 mil on a long term deal at this point. I see him eventually taking the top spot on the left side next to Fox should we move on from Lindgren at any point. He seems to be getting better each passing game so I personally wouldn’t move him unless it was a drastic overpay where the Rangers were the winners. I’d rather trade Laf and Chytil and ensure Miller stays. Can’t teach 6’5” and his ability to skate for his size is simply amazing. As he gets stronger he’ll only become a force (thinking of Dustin Byfuglein).
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15 janv. 2023 à 21 h 1
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Miller would require Edvinsson, possibly Edvinsson+. The only reason he's not already considered the Rangers best Dman is that they have Adam Fox.


Exactly.
15 janv. 2023 à 21 h 2
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Yeah, that would never happen. If only you guys didn’t have Jacob Trouba and his albatross contract, this wouldn’t even be a thought in anybody’s head.


Trouba can be bought out. We’ve already got Schneider to take over. Goodrow can be bought out. Laf or Chytil can be traded. Long story short, if anyone goes it’s not Miller.
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15 janv. 2023 à 21 h 6
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I think 3 years $4-4.5 mil on a bridge (like Sergachev let’s say). Otherwise $6-7 mil on a long term deal at this point. I see him eventually taking the top spot on the left side next to Fox should we move on from Lindgren at any point. He seems to be getting better each passing game so I personally wouldn’t move him unless it was a drastic overpay where the Rangers were the winners. I’d rather trade Laf and Chytil and ensure Miller stays. Can’t teach 6’5” and his ability to skate for his size is simply amazing. As he gets stronger he’ll only become a force (thinking of Dustin Byfuglein).

He’s definitely got forward DNA in him, I remember before he was drafted he played some forward before making the switch to defense.

I think you guys would be very fortunate to get him signed to that deal.
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15 janv. 2023 à 21 h 8
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A first for Kubalik I really have seen it all man
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15 janv. 2023 à 21 h 10
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A first for Kubalik I really have seen it all man

That’s what he goes for on most ACGM’s on this site. Personally, I don’t think he’s worth more than a 3rd. He is a terrible hockey player.
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Yeah, that would never happen. If only you guys didn’t have Jacob Trouba and his albatross contract, this wouldn’t even be a thought in anybody’s head.


Not saying that it's a good deal for Detroit, but it's a fair ask, and Edvinsson's one of the few pieces in the Red Wings org. they'd consider trading Miller for.
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Not saying that it's a good deal for Detroit, but it's a fair ask, and Edvinsson's one of the few pieces in the Red Wings org. they'd consider trading Miller for.

I get it. I think Miller is a wonderful defenseman and is only getting better every game however, let’s not go too far with handing him the Norris trophy this year…
15 janv. 2023 à 21 h 30
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Too much for bertuzzi - he’d be a rental for Leafs. Maybe you’d get that return from another team (that could extend him) but for that price I’d be looking for much better rentals like Horvat or ROR or Kane.
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Too much for bertuzzi - he’d be a rental for Leafs. Maybe you’d get that return from another team (that could extend him) but for that price I’d be looking for much better rentals like Horvat or ROR or Kane.

I think with the exception of ROR, those guys cost more and they are all more costly dollars-wise which presents an additional hurdle.
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I think with the exception of ROR, those guys cost more and they are all more costly dollars-wise which presents an additional hurdle.


Horvat’s cap hit is not much higher than Bertuzzi’s. And ROR can fit easily with 50% retention. Kane a bit more complicated and more unlikely.
Bertuzzi is a good player - and I think he fits the bill for what the Leafs need (if healthy, big if) and might thrive playing with elite line mates - but just don’t think you’ll get that kind of return for him. A 1st + mid prospect, or maybe a 2nd or 3rd + top prospect.
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I get it. I think Miller is a wonderful defenseman and is only getting better every game however, let’s not go too far with handing him the Norris trophy this year…


lol. Funnily enough, pre-season some people were saying Miller would finish with more votes than Fox. Which...no, lol.
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