Nashville doesn’t need to be buying rn. If we do add a piece though, it should be on D. Our defense has been horrific recently

Pulock is not an option, he is in year 1 of an 8 year deal with a full NTC.

Pesce will depend upon Chatfield’s progression through the rest of the year but I would do it. Add Turbo?

Debrincat doesn’t have Tkachuk’s value so basically a lite version of the deal.

You just got DeBrincat and you want to ship him out of town in year 1? What happened?

Cap issues

I don't think Cat holds enough value right now for the Canes to be interested in moving Pesce. Cat is fine, but the Canes shot down a deal for Laine because it involved Pesce back when Laine was a Jet. Cat doesn't suddenly make that better.

Our defence , also Chabot has looked worse than last year

Cat would be an amazing pickup for the Canes, but I highly doubt they consider moving Pesce. I doubt Chatfield will be a full time top 4 RD option next year, except for plug in moments, and Morrow either plays 3RD next year or spends the year in the AHL before being called up. The problem then becomes who do the Canes replace Pesce with, and the closest prospect the Canes have to Pesce would be Heimosalmi, and he is at least 1-2 years out from being able to step into the NHL full time. With how the team is currently constructed, moving Pesce isn’t really an option, especially when the Skjei-Pesce pairing gives you 2 top pairings. Turbo would be the more likely option, but Pesce shouldn’t be moved outside of a massive overpayment, and Cat isnt that.

Isn’t Honka almost ready

Cat for Turbo makes no sense, the Sens aren’t looking to get older and at forward

Yeah Honka is almost ready, but Honka is more of an offensive dman, whilst Heimosalmi is more geared towards the defensive aspects of the game. As much as I like Honka, I see him being in the worst position, with Morrow likely to be the Canes future 1RD, and Heimosalmi the most likely candidate to eventually replace Pesce, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets moved in a deal to upgrade up front. Honka could definitely be made available, but I doubt Ottawa would want to wait an extra year or 2.

Yeah I get that, I’m just saying that moving Pesce in the middle of the Canes cup window would be a mistake, whereas Turbo would be a more likely candidate to be moved. Not saying that Turbo would be the primary piece in a Cat trade.

The Sens are likely looking for a defensive D anyways. The D is too soft rn

opening up a whole at forward to plug one at D does not help and it will much harder to replace Batherson at his cap hit than it currently is to find a top 4 RD and that is one of the worst trade for a #1 Dman in his prime on a good contract i have seen...

Rangers would not even take your call. Schneider is not available for trade.

The problem would be the price, and I don’t see Ottawa paying it. Pesce right now, is too valuable to the Canes to move, so it would require a massive overpayment for the Canes to even think about moving Pesce. The first things the Canes would likely ask for Pesce would be Zub and one of Tkachuk or Stutzle. Zub to be the immediate replacement, with Tkachuk or Stutzle being the big prize. Now I get this seems like a ridiculous ask, but just look at everything Pesce does for the Canes. You would essentially be asking the Canes to move out one of their cornerstones and in all likelihood cut somewhere between 1-4 years out of their cup window. And for the Canes, who are in win now mode, potentially missing out on 1-4 years of the core’s prime is a no go. That’s why Pesce holds more value to the team he plays for, rather than the team thinking of acquiring.

Now I completely understand that Ottawa is unlikely to ever move Tkachuk or Stutzle. All I’m saying is that they would be the first names to be brought up in any conversation about moving Pesce to Ottawa. Pesce is just one of those players who it would be massively unwise to move, and massively unwise for any team thinking of acquiring to pay the price for. So a Pesce trade is quite unrealistic from both sides.

Stutzle is untouchable except for maybe 10 players in the league and Tkachuk would be damn near impossible to move and that’s without mentioning Zub in the deal. Pesce isn’t a top 10 nhl Dman even

Cat >>> Pesce Prima facie

Cat with extension close to $9m isn’t better team construction wise When considering Pesce has one more year at 4.025 and then whatever contract he signs moving forward (let’s say $6m x 6 years). I’ll take the top 4 def and the extra cap space. I’ll find a winger who can match the Canes system better - maybe Jarvis grows into a bargain version of Cat.

The issue is how we evaluate ‘top 10 d men’ in the NHL. He’s a top 5 defender in the league when you look at the defensive side of the ice…he just happens to be overshadowed by the #1 defensive D in the league on his same team. I know points and offense are what drive the rankings, so that is why you say what you’ve said about Pesce.

It’s always been the issue with Pesce - everyone wants to trade for him, but pay the cost like a 3/4 second pairing RHD. In reality - he’s a 1RHD on most teams who’s LHD is their offense play driver.

The Canes have two 1st pairings on their team.

And that’s why I said it’s unrealistic for the Canes to move him and it’s unlikely that a team will pay the price that is set. The Canes are more than happy to be stuck with Pesce, and the Canes can set whatever price they want for him. If a team is willing to make that overpayment, they will do that, but with the price being that high, it will likely keep teams away. I’m just speaking from a hypothetical scenario position. But if the Sens want a quality top 4RD, and specifically one that is elite defensively, they have a couple of options. 1) Take the time to draft their own and develop them (this would be the easiest and best scenario, but would be the most time consuming). 2) Pay the high price that a team sets on their player and just bite the bullet (very risky scenario given how massive an overpayment it would require: EK65 to SJ is a prime example of that). And 3) Attempt to sign them as a UFA, but give them higher money/term to ensure (risky scenario given that you would have to aim higher cap wise to get their attention, but not as risky as option 2: Tavares to Toronto is a prime example of that).

Given that Ottawa wants a top 4 RHD that’s is defensively responsible now, that really only leaves options 2 and 3, and neither will be the most appealing for the Sens. The Canes front office knows that, and if Ottawa really were to want Pesce, their best option of actually getting Pesce would be option 2, which is the least appealing of the 3, since Pesce is very likely to be resigned by the Canes. Top 4 RHD’s are one of the hottest commodities in the league. A great example of that would be EK65 and Hamilton. You are obviously aware of the EK65 trade, but for Carolina to bring in Hamilton, they had to give up Lindholm and Hanifin, both of which were high picks and now are core pieces of the Flames. And that’s just for offensive defensemen. Think of the haul that a 2-way dman like Pesce could get. Like I said before, if the Canes move Pesce, it’s under their conditions, and it would require a massive overpayment. Would you not say the same for someone like Chabot, Tkachuk or Stutzle? That’s why a Pesce trade is so unrealistic.

Stutzle will never be moved unless you’re talking about getting makar tbh . He just turned 21 today and he’s a point per game centre locked down for 8.5 more years

Yes I get that. My point is still the Canes won’t move Pesce unless they get a massive overpayment and the Sens won’t move the pieces the Canes would want in return for Pesce. A deal isn’t remotely likely to happen from both points of view.

Im not nearly opposed to the Canes deal as others as we don’t like to pay guys into their mid 30s. I know some team, like ottawa would likely pay more than us on the market. Slavin and Aho are likely the two exceptions to the Canes rule. With Skjei looking like a 1D light, we can afford to lose a little at 2RD, especially if we get a sound 3LD. If Debrincat signs a 8 x 8.25 million, the addition would be good for a while. That deal plus deals for slavin and aho likely all sour at the same time. Which works out great to keeping our window open a long time

Stutzle+ for a middle-pair RHD. Lovely.

Batherson is still under investigation and Calgary isn't interested in trading their #1 dman

Can’t afford debrincat