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DeBrincat would slot nicely into the top LW spot with Pacioretty gone as a UFA. But would Pesce or Teravainen sign a contract extension in Ottawa and could we afford either of them after 2023-24? Teravainen seems to be running out of favour in Carolina with his recent demotion to the 4th line, but he's a quality forward when fully healthy.
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Super risky deal here as both Pesce and Teravainen are UFAs at the end of 23-24. Some sort of conditional draft pick attached to resigning at least one of them?
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13 janv. 2023 à 11 h 18
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1. You're underpaying Pinto and overpaying Nedeljkovic.

2. Carolina and Anaheim both decline.
13 janv. 2023 à 11 h 24
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Agreed on the Canes comment. The issue isn’t value, the issue is team construction as Pesce is a vital part of the Canes success. Think you’ll see the Canes top 4 be maintained until Burns contract is up as Slavin, Pesce and Skjei become UFA. They re-sign all three as they fit the system perfectly.

Quoting: sensonfire
1. You're underpaying Pinto and overpaying Nedeljkovic.

2. Carolina and Anaheim both decline.
13 janv. 2023 à 11 h 45
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Im not so quick as the others to say no to the Canes deal as others. If Chatfield continues to progress to top 4 status and Morrow looks ready for NHL duty year 1, this could be considered. Those are big Ifs though.

Pesce is the only hang up because i don’t see us keeping TT long term anyways.
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13 janv. 2023 à 11 h 54
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As it stands, Pesce is the dealbreaker. Patches has expressed interest in resigning with the Canes, and I’m pretty sure that there is a mutual interest in a Patches resigning. Turbo likely won’t be resigned, but DeBrincat would be an excellent add. The only problem, where would he slot in? If Patches were to be resigned, who do you play on the 3rd between Patches and DeBrincat? That being said, if Necas becomes the Canes 2C, you run the lines of Patches-Aho-Jarvis, Svech-Necas-DeCat, and that would be an excellent top 6. At that point the problem would become the cap.
13 janv. 2023 à 12 h 0
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Quoting: sensonfire
1. You're underpaying Pinto and overpaying Nedeljkovic.

2. Carolina and Anaheim both decline.


1. I love Pinto but I don’t see him making much more on a bridge deal.

2. Someone would take a 2nd rounder as a sweetener for 1 year of Zaitsev, especially after his bonus is paid.

3. Carolina deal is based off the Fla-Cal deal last summer. Don’t see the Hurricanes doing it either but the value would be fair.
13 janv. 2023 à 12 h 2
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Im not so quick as the others to say no to the Canes deal as others. If Chatfield continues to progress to top 4 status and Morrow looks ready for NHL duty year 1, this could be considered. Those are big Ifs though.

Pesce is the only hang up because i don’t see us keeping TT long term anyways.


Admittedly, I don’t know a lot about Carolina player retention. But if Pesce and Trevainen plan to explore free agency, this would be a tidy piece of business. Very similar to the Tkachuk sign and trade to Florida for Huberdeau and Weegar.
13 janv. 2023 à 12 h 5
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As it stands, Pesce is the dealbreaker. Patches has expressed interest in resigning with the Canes, and I’m pretty sure that there is a mutual interest in a Patches resigning. Turbo likely won’t be resigned, but DeBrincat would be an excellent add. The only problem, where would he slot in? If Patches were to be resigned, who do you play on the 3rd between Patches and DeBrincat? That being said, if Necas becomes the Canes 2C, you run the lines of Patches-Aho-Jarvis, Svech-Necas-DeCat, and that would be an excellent top 6. At that point the problem would become the cap.


Certainly I recognize the value of Pesce, that’s why in this scenario DeBrincat comes with an 8-yr extension. Very similar to the Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weegar trade last summer. That top six you mention would be the best in the league.

Pesce is the perfect top RD any team covets.
13 janv. 2023 à 12 h 18
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Absolutely not. Pesce is untouchable here. Teuvo+ works, but you're not going to get to gut 2 core pieces of a contender for Cat. He's a great player, but not worth that.
13 janv. 2023 à 12 h 23
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Admittedly, I don’t know a lot about Carolina player retention. But if Pesce and Trevainen plan to explore free agency, this would be a tidy piece of business. Very similar to the Tkachuk sign and trade to Florida for Huberdeau and Weegar.


We are unlikely to bring back turbo unless he takes another sweet deal. Pesce is a little tougher for us. We would have to completely change our organizational philosophy to re-sign pesce. We could but unsure.
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13 janv. 2023 à 12 h 24
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1. You're underpaying Pinto and overpaying Nedeljkovic.

2. Carolina and Anaheim both decline.

I think that if you made the 2024 second conditional on being the earlier of the two that you own, Anaheim would accept this offer.
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13 janv. 2023 à 13 h 2
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Absolutely not. Pesce is untouchable here. Teuvo+ works, but you're not going to get to gut 2 core pieces of a contender for Cat. He's a great player, but not worth that.


Both on expiring deals next year and set for free agency. This is the same model and assumption that was used for Florida-Calgary last year. Certainly I don’t think it’ll happen, but the value is more than fair. My preference is to resign DeBrincat to be honest, vs. Trading for 2 pending UFAs.
13 janv. 2023 à 13 h 12
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Both on expiring deals next year and set for free agency. This is the same model and assumption that was used for Florida-Calgary last year. Certainly I don’t think it’ll happen, but the value is more than fair. My preference is to resign DeBrincat to be honest, vs. Trading for 2 pending UFAs.


Pesce and Tuevo are only worth a 1st 2nd and 3rd together? Can’t compare Debrincat to a Tkachuk trade when he was just traded himself in the offseason.
13 janv. 2023 à 13 h 52
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As it stands, Pesce is the dealbreaker. Patches has expressed interest in resigning with the Canes, and I’m pretty sure that there is a mutual interest in a Patches resigning. Turbo likely won’t be resigned, but DeBrincat would be an excellent add. The only problem, where would he slot in? If Patches were to be resigned, who do you play on the 3rd between Patches and DeBrincat? That being said, if Necas becomes the Canes 2C, you run the lines of Patches-Aho-Jarvis, Svech-Necas-DeCat, and that would be an excellent top 6. At that point the problem would become the cap.


you don't resign a will be 35 YO and leave out a 40 goal soon to be 26 YO
13 janv. 2023 à 13 h 54
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Pesce and Tuevo are only worth a 1st 2nd and 3rd together? Can’t compare Debrincat to a Tkachuk trade when he was just traded himself in the offseason.


Respectfully, there is no correlation between the Sens-Hawks trade and this one. In this scenario, DeBrincat comes with an 8-year extension Vs. being 1 year from RFA and 2 from UFA. This scenario is precisely the one that Calgary and Florida faced. An RFA who was one year from free agency in exchange for two very high end players on expiring contracts. The only exception is that Calgary also got a 1st round pick.

Using that logic, the Senators should be able to trade Brannstrom and a 2nd round pick for a #1 right winger because that’s what we got for Mark Stone.

If Pesce and Teravainen had term on their contracts then this would be a ridiculous offer. But in reality, they can both walk 18 months from now.

Finally, as mentioned in an earlier post, my preference would be to sign and keep the Cat long term.
13 janv. 2023 à 13 h 55
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is there any reason ppl don't know for Tuevo collapse in production this year? could see OTT having no interest in him
13 janv. 2023 à 14 h 28
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Both on expiring deals next year and set for free agency. This is the same model and assumption that was used for Florida-Calgary last year. Certainly I don’t think it’ll happen, but the value is more than fair. My preference is to resign DeBrincat to be honest, vs. Trading for 2 pending UFAs.


Tkachuk is a 100 point player that was 24 years old. Cat has never hit 80 and would be 26. The Tkachuk trade isn't a good comparison. The best comparable trade for DeBrincat is probably DeBrincat. A 1st + at the draft. Not two core pieces on a contender. That's not happening.
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13 janv. 2023 à 14 h 34
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Quoting: backpacker10
Respectfully, there is no correlation between the Sens-Hawks trade and this one. In this scenario, DeBrincat comes with an 8-year extension Vs. being 1 year from RFA and 2 from UFA. This scenario is precisely the one that Calgary and Florida faced. An RFA who was one year from free agency in exchange for two very high end players on expiring contracts. The only exception is that Calgary also got a 1st round pick.

Using that logic, the Senators should be able to trade Brannstrom and a 2nd round pick for a #1 right winger because that’s what we got for Mark Stone.

If Pesce and Teravainen had term on their contracts then this would be a ridiculous offer. But in reality, they can both walk 18 months from now.

Finally, as mentioned in an earlier post, my preference would be to sign and keep the Cat long term.


You mean there’s no correlation in a player being traded again after one season when he was still under contract control by the acquiring team? Makes zero sense.

Now you’ve gone even further down the hole with the Brannstrom comparison. It’s been multiple seasons since that trade and Bransstrom doesn’t even play in the NHL. But good one.
13 janv. 2023 à 15 h 45
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Idea is not bad at all but both teams can't do this... Canes need Pesce and each player's contract status is way too risky for the Sens

I'd really like to get Pesce but Canes will not let him go IMO
13 janv. 2023 à 15 h 45
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You mean there’s no correlation in a player being traded again after one season when he was still under contract control by the acquiring team? Makes zero sense.

Now you’ve gone even further down the hole with the Brannstrom comparison. It’s been multiple seasons since that trade and Bransstrom doesn’t even play in the NHL. But good one.


I think you’re chasing your tail on this. A player who is under contract for 8 years, which is the case in the above scenario, is far more valuable than one who can walk to free agency in 12 months.

Put another way, let’s say this ACGM had DeBrincat going to the Canes with no contract extension, instead of an eight year guarantee. Then yes, a 1st, 2nd, 3rd pick would be great compensation. But in the entirely fictional scenario that I proposed on this site, because after all that is the purpose of this site, the trade involved a superstar being signed and traded the Carolina on an eight year deal, in exchange for 2 players with no extension. Sounds a lot like Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weegar. As a matter of fact, Huberdeau and Weegar are better than your guys.

My fingers are getting tired, but I’ll try one last stab at this to see if we can find common ground. If I am the Canes, I would never trade for 1 year of DeBrincat for the package I proposed. However, on an eight year sign and trade, the Sens can back up the Brinks truck, be it with the Canes or with the 30 other teams that will be making a call.

And in closing, in real life I hope we re-sign and keep DeBrincat for 8 years. And then sign Teravainen and Pesce as UFAs for free in 2024.

Have a great weekend.
13 janv. 2023 à 15 h 47
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Idea is not bad at all but both teams can't do this... Canes need Pesce and each player's contract status is way too risky for the Sens

I'd really like to get Pesce but Canes will not let him go IMO


100% agree with you on all of the above.

In actuality, I hope we can find a way to sign the Cat and then sign or trade for a top 4 RD who has a couple years of term, allowing for JBD to mature into his top 4 role. I think JBD can grow into that position.
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13 janv. 2023 à 15 h 54
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Tkachuk is a 100 point player that was 24 years old. Cat has never hit 80 and would be 26. The Tkachuk trade isn't a good comparison. The best comparable trade for DeBrincat is probably DeBrincat. A 1st + at the draft. Not two core pieces on a contender. That's not happening.


Correct Tkachuk is a 100-pt player. So was Huberdeau last year. And Weegar was a top 4 RD.

Also correct that DeBrincat hasn’t hit 80. But neither has Teravainen. And Pesce is a top 4 RD.

Very comparable scenario in this ACGM. Had I wanted to be inequitable in this ask, I would have asked for Aho or Svech. This is a 100% fair trade.
13 janv. 2023 à 16 h 23
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Correct Tkachuk is a 100-pt player. So was Huberdeau last year. And Weegar was a top 4 RD.

Also correct that DeBrincat hasn’t hit 80. But neither has Teravainen. And Pesce is a top 4 RD.

Very comparable scenario in this ACGM. Had I wanted to be inequitable in this ask, I would have asked for Aho or Svech. This is a 100% fair trade.


Pesce is currently Carolina's 1RD... he has the single most value of any piece in this deal. That is not a comparable. Not to mention, Tkachuk also signed an 8 year extension and had a reasonable qualifying offer. Cat's is 7 million. This is awful, and it's a bad comparison. The best comparison for DeBrincat, is... DeBrincat! A 1st+, not two core pieces of a contender.
13 janv. 2023 à 16 h 27
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Pesce is currently Carolina's 1RD... he has the single most value of any piece in this deal. That is not a comparable. Not to mention, Tkachuk also signed an 8 year extension and had a reasonable qualifying offer. Cat's is 7 million. This is awful, and it's a bad comparison. The best comparison for DeBrincat, is... DeBrincat! A 1st+, not two core pieces of a contender.


Using your logic, Pacioretty’s trade value is….nothing. And Burns is worth 2 crap prospects and a middle round pick.

Anyway have a great weekend. In a best case scenario the Sens sign DeBrincat and then get Pesce as a UFA in 2024.
13 janv. 2023 à 16 h 55
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Using your logic, Pacioretty’s trade value is….nothing. And Burns is worth 2 crap prospects and a middle round pick.

Anyway have a great weekend. In a best case scenario the Sens sign DeBrincat and then get Pesce as a UFA in 2024.


Makiniemi isn't a "crap" prospect, he put up a .923 in thr AHL when he was healthy, and Lorentz wasn't a prospect at all.

Max is different because Vegas were desperate to dump cap. A much fairer comparable would be Dach. And yes, apparently that is Dach's value meaning that is Cat's value.

Oh and as for getting Pesce in free agency, Dundon's already said he's already going to prioritize the core players! Meaning Pesce will not be available, but you can go and cry about that when you miss the playoffs again! Sure the Canes won't care when they get to offersheet Sanderson the year after this and pick up another young D man for the future.
13 janv. 2023 à 20 h 6
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I think you’re chasing your tail on this. A player who is under contract for 8 years, which is the case in the above scenario, is far more valuable than one who can walk to free agency in 12 months.

Put another way, let’s say this ACGM had DeBrincat going to the Canes with no contract extension, instead of an eight year guarantee. Then yes, a 1st, 2nd, 3rd pick would be great compensation. But in the entirely fictional scenario that I proposed on this site, because after all that is the purpose of this site, the trade involved a superstar being signed and traded the Carolina on an eight year deal, in exchange for 2 players with no extension. Sounds a lot like Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weegar. As a matter of fact, Huberdeau and Weegar are better than your guys.

My fingers are getting tired, but I’ll try one last stab at this to see if we can find common ground. If I am the Canes, I would never trade for 1 year of DeBrincat for the package I proposed. However, on an eight year sign and trade, the Sens can back up the Brinks truck, be it with the Canes or with the 30 other teams that will be making a call.

And in closing, in real life I hope we re-sign and keep DeBrincat for 8 years. And then sign Teravainen and Pesce as UFAs for free in 2024.

Have a great weekend.


Except he’s not a UFA at the end of this season and current contract. He’s RFA. OTT still retained his rights for at least another season. Him signing an 8 year deal wouldn’t make his value sky rocket to Tkachuk value when he was just traded for less. His past trade is closer to current value than comparing him to Tkachuk because of the previously mentioned RFA status.

No matter how you want to frame it Debrincat’s value doesn’t skyrocket with an 8 year deal. It may rise some but not to the degree you’re trying to push.

Also Pesce is probably the best RHD (I could be forgetting someone) in the NHL behind Makar, there’s no reason to move him.
 
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