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You said Schenn would a nice addition.....maybe so, but trading away Holl is a big subtraction. Absolutely no gain on the ice for the Leafs, and then you're just hoping that Schenn can quickly adjust to the Leafs. I'd be more intrigued by the JVR addition, if only he gets limited minutes, mostly on the PP.

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10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 11

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Quoting: palhal

I don't see JVR slotting in on the second line with Tavares. PP2 and bottom six scoring.

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10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 12

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Quoting: palhal

Yah the Schenn trade was partially so there would be a theme of reaquiring former leafs, and partially for cap reasons. If you wanted you could trade Kerfoot or Engvall instead to make room for JVR. Or maybe there will be enough accured cap space (I still don't fully understand how deadline cap space works).

10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 13

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Quoting: clinical

I don't see JVR slotting in on the second line with Tavares. PP2 and bottom six scoring.

Yah like I said I said I didn't really want to take Jarnkrok off the second line. JVR could play in the bottom 6 and it would be fine.

10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 19

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Schenn is gonna cost a 2nd or 3rd. You can throw in Hold if you want to dump cap but he isn't of any value in the trade.

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10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 22

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Quoting: BigShoots

Schenn is gonna cost a 2nd or 3rd. You can throw in Hold if you want to dump cap but he isn't of any value in the trade.

Holl's not a cap dump, he's a valuable part of Toronto's lineup. I'm sure they'd be happy to keep him over Schenn. If Holl really doesn't interest Vancouver then he won't be part of the deal (if there is one).

10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 24

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Quoting: Saskleaf

No way Kerfoot or Engvall should be traded away unless there is significant upgrade. Kerfoot/Engvall/Kampf/Holmberg have been very good.

Cap at deadline. Let's imagine a 6m player. He plays for his current team for 2/3rds of a season and then is traded. So old team is on the for 4m of his cap, and his new team 2m. Without 50% retention it's 5m old team, 1m new. team

I wouldn't necessarily take Jarnkork off the second line, but use JVR more of LW PP specialist. Now Bunting isn't getting that much PP time as Matthews and Tavares get most of the centre and left wing PP time. Of course if the Leafs were down a goal in the third period, JVR would be used more.

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10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 25

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Quoting: BigShoots

Schenn is gonna cost a 2nd or 3rd. You can throw in Hold if you want to dump cap but he isn't of any value in the trade.

He's hardly a cap dump. Plays 20 minutes a night on the team with the third best GAA. Schenn should be traded to a team that needs a RHD, which isn't the Leafs.

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10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 31

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Holl is better than Schenn. It's absolutely insane that some people still think this way. Holl has played heavy heavy minutes due to major injuries to the Blueline and he's been a major part of why the team is 3rd overall defensively. Schenn looks better than the utter disaster that is the Canucks defence. Oh and hitssss!!!!!

Holl is better, Schenn would have drowned where he Holl literally is right now succeeding.

10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 32

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Quoting: clinical

I don't see JVR slotting in on the second line with Tavares. PP2 and bottom six scoring.

And he is not near good enough defensively to play in the Leafs bottom 6 anyways.

10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 33

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Quoting: Saskleaf

But moving a guy who's been a big part of making you so good defensively before what you hope is a long playoff run, just seems really dumb no?

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10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 33

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Quoting: palhal

Ok, so in other words, the leafs could aquire JVR just fine without trading anyone. Also might as well replace Holl with a mid round draft pick, or not aquire Schenn at all.

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Quoting: RipNasty

But moving a guy who's been a big part of making you so good defensively before what you hope is a long playoff run, just seems really dumb no?

I know, I'd rather keep Holl then trade him but I think Schenn would basically replace him on the blue line. I'd be perfectly fine not to do that trade though. Nothing wrong with going into the playoff with the blue line as is.

10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 39

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Ok, so in other words, the leafs could aquire JVR just fine without trading anyone. Also might as well replace Holl with a mid round draft pick, or not aquire Schenn at all.

Well I disagree, JVR's cap hit to the Leafs would only be about 1.25m if acquired later with 50% retention, not 3.5m as indicated. No need to trade Holl.

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10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 47

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Quoting: palhal

Well I disagree, JVR's cap hit to the Leafs would only be about 1.25m if acquired later with 50% retention, not 3.5m as indicated. No need to trade Holl.

Yah that's what I just said lol

10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 48

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Yah that's what I just said lol

OK...I'm slow to catch on. Hey bud, I thought you going to take a "rest" from CapFriendly.

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I'd be OK with JvR, but Holl clears schenn

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10 janv. 2023 à 19 h 59

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Quoting: palhal

OK...I'm slow to catch on. Hey bud, I thought you going to take a "rest" from CapFriendly.

Yah I didn't rest as much as I hoped lol. I have been posting a lot less though.

10 janv. 2023 à 21 h 27

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Quoting: Saskleaf

I don't deny Holl is really good, but I think you're underrating Schenn a bit. He's held his own on Vancouver top pairing since they got him. I think in a good defensive system like Toronto's he'd be just as good if not better than Holl.

I know, I'd rather keep Holl then trade him but I think Schenn would basically replace him on the blue line. I'd be perfectly fine not to do that trade though. Nothing wrong with going into the playoff with the blue line as is.

Schenn is so slow, he would not do great in our possession system. He'd be so bad.

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10 janv. 2023 à 21 h 34

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Quoting: RipNasty

Schenn is so slow, he would not do great in our possession system. He'd be so bad.

Fair enough, but I still think he’d Do fine

10 janv. 2023 à 21 h 36

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Fair enough, but I still think he’d Do fine

He would be good deeper in the playoffs when the refs let everything go, then his speed won't be a liability

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10 janv. 2023 à 22 h 44

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Quoting: palhal

He's hardly a cap dump. Plays 20 minutes a night on the team with the third best GAA. Schenn should be traded to a team that needs a RHD, which isn't the Leafs.

Holl is an ok player I'm just saying he is of no value to the Canucks who need to rebuild. We can get a 2nd or 3rd for Schenn. Holl doesn't do anything for our needs.

10 janv. 2023 à 22 h 46

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Totally fair. Im just saying for the Canucks they'd much rather have the higher pick. That said I wouldn't be surprised if the leafs did move Holl and if they did hard to know if there'd be a ton of interest. Might get a 3rd from someone.

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