that is a big overpay for Lauzon. LA should get at least a guy like Jeannot or a pick back

Yeah I will update

LA and Anaheim will never be trade partners

Peterson and Gibson are basically both the same level of bad, but Gibson is older and his contract is much worse,why is LA adding so heavily?

Uhhhhh, Stanley Cup Champ Sean O'Donnell was acquired for a 2009 3rd round pick (Brayden McNabb), and averaged over 20 (!!!) minutes per game through the playoffs in '07!

But yes, you are fairly correct.

I would do the first two trades (although I'm aware that my two local teams don't usually trade with each other) but Sean Durzi is worth at least a first-round draft pick.

Anaheim and LA can trade window dressing players, that's about it. Anaheims franchise starter and LA's starter of the future are too large of pieces.

I'm not even sure habs take this without any retention

A first for Durzi lol

Nash accepts gracefully and builds a statue rob blake outside of bridgestone

whats laughable about that?

24 years old, 23pts in 41 games and locked in at 1.7 for another year after this season. That's a 1st+ MINIMUM

He has the worst plus minus on the team. His points majority come from secondary assists. He makes a ton of mental errors. Teams aren't salivating over a player like that. It's not like he's 6'3+ or something.

He's not worth a 1st. Plenty of d men like him have gotten much less with way better production.

Yes, because +/- is such a reliable strat. Tell me, which defensemen have gotten way less? Because I’m looking at the package a player like Chiarot got, and he’s god awful. Or the package Ekholm will probably receive?

Durzi is a puck mover. He’s young, cheap, and could very easily fetch LA a first if they somehow decide to move him this season.

Is this jealousy because the leafs got rid of him?

Chiarot is valued highly by the GMs, look at what Yzerman gave him & Yzerman is considered by everyone a good GM. The market for big nasty LHD was very thin at the 2022 TDL so that brought his value even higher. But you can't compare Chiarot & Durzi for their value, Durzi isnt worth right now what Chiarot was worth last TDL

Saying his +/- is worst on the team is bad enough to begin with, but when you look at this example you can see exactly why it's such a terrible stat. He's a -9 through 41 GP on a team where only 6 of the 27 skaters who've had ice time this year are +s (and one of those is +1 Tobias Bjornfot, in his 4 GP). The fact that LA is basically even in scoring as a team (89-86 even strength GF-GA) points more to random luck than any sort of statistical significance. You might have a case if he was something like -25 and the rest of the team was all +10, but no, this is just statistical noise and probably the worst use of +/- I've seen in a while.

Alex Romanov just got traded for a 1st at this year's draft after putting up 19 points in 133 GP. Nils Lundkvist got flipped out for a 1st & a 4th after 4 whole points in 25 GP with the Rangers. 2 summers ago Rasmus Ristolainen got a 1st & a 2nd. Brady Skjei got traded straight up for a 1st at the 2020 deadline. All these guys are either guys who had less of a track record than Durzi or had a similar track record but a much heavier cap hit. It's not insane to say that a 24 year old LHD making less than $2M and scoring at a 45 point pace would get back a 1st round pick.

He's more accomplished than Alex Romanov and Nils Lunkdvist were, and they both got 1sts. A defenseman with a sub-$2M cap hit, with multiple years of team control left, who scores at a 40-45 point pace, and with strong defensive numbers, is 100% going to get a 1st if the Kings put him up on the open market.

Thank you, i didn’t feel like typing it all out, hopefully they get it.

You're right, he could get more

This is when I can tell someone doesn't watch games lol. Just blindly comparing d men who are very different from each other. Durzi isn't some big physical 6'5 guy that GMs drool over. He's not a defensive d man that has almost more hits this season than durzi has in his career. He isn't 22 years old prospect that won SHL d men of the year.

Durzi is a mistake machine who gets most of his points from secondary assists. This is prime example of someone just looking at box scores and not knowing anything about the player. You probably thought Will Butcher was worth a 1st lol because he had points..

Chiarot was a big physical minute eater that just averaged 25+ minutes on a stanley cup team. Just stop with the bad comparisons.

D men like Durzi are among the most easiest to find. This is like Hawks fans telling me Gustafson was worth a 1st because of his 60 point season when he only got a 3rd. DeAngelo who is a far better player offensively got a 2nd + 3rd.

dannibalcorpse literally just gave you facts and you chose to ignore him blindly. He gave you multiple defensemen above all who fetched big prices who were arguable worse, older, and more expensive than Durzi currently is.

"Chiarot was a big physical minute eater" Yeah, who was.. and is... terrible defensively. And that's like, SUPPOSED to be what he's good at, and he fetched a big price. He fetched his price because the Panthers needed him. In the same regard, if a team needed a young, cheap puck mover, Durzi could also easily catch a first.
You're putting Durzi WAYY too low because he doesn't hit? Thats your stick?



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Lundqvist, super offensively minded while not really been proven to be good defensively. (or proven at all, only a 20+ game sample size. big risk) 1st round pick.
Romanov, while more defensive, never really impressed all that well with his time in Montreal. 1st round pick.

You are simply wrong.

He listed random defenceman lmao. All who are very different from each other. I listed why they are different.

""Chiarot was a big physical minute eater" Yeah, who was.. and is... terrible defensively." You want to ignore what GMs value in players. They like size. They like guys that play big minutes. They like guys that are extremely physical. These guys can play anywhere in the lineup. That's why playoff teams want them. They don't need PP time. Durzi does. He needs specific deployment to be useful. Playoff teams already have PP QBs.

Lundqvist is 22 years old and was SHL d man of the year at 19 years old. That's why he was highly sought after. He was a very good prospect.

Seems like you want to throw all context out the window to fit your arguments.

SHL defenceman of the year at 19 but was near invisible in his 20 games with the rangers. wouldn’t that explain why a team took so long to bite on a trade? his big risk factor? still caught him a first. you know what you’re getting with durzi. 40-45 point defenceman with a ton of cap control.

also yeah… seems like Chiarot is REALLY useful right now deployed really well and really helping further Mo’s development 😭 come on man.

Durzi is worth a 1st.

Lundqvist played 13 minutes at 21 years old on a team with a terrible track record of developing prospects. He was still considered a valuable prospects with a high ceiling.

"also yeah… seems like Chiarot is REALLY useful right now deployed really well and really helping further Mo’s development 😭 come on man. " Nobody said anything about how Chiarot is playing right now. I'm talking about why he was valued by GMs. It seems like all you do is just misrepresent arguments instead of addressing what I actually said.

How GMs value players is much more than just looking at box scores, especially for d men.