Why would the Canucks pay so much for Mittlestadt?

Not one of these trades makes sense for Buffalo. They don’t need to add a middle six left winger or a bottom six forward on an a massively overpriced deal. Meanwhile they are not in position to trade a second round pick for Luke Schenn. And I don’t think Schenn is worth a second anyway.

Trades with VAN & NYR… “meh”
We don’t need the 2nds- already have 3 of them this year

And idk that Schenn is an upgrade on Lyubushkin
I’m thinking that upgrading LD3 is more important than upgrading Lyubushkin’s spot

Also, if we’re gonna trade Olofsson & Mitts- that’s fine
But we should be getting better value for them
For example: maybe add one of our extra 2nds to one of them to get another 1st

Crouse is a fine addition, as long as you understand he won’t have the opportunities here that he does in ARZ- so his production will likely drop off quite a bit

And idk why ARZ would trade Soderstrom….
Is he rumored to be on the block?

Also, this^

Unless the trade got changed, the Canucks are giving up a 2nd, not Buffalo

Canucks pass

I don’t remember tbh. I could’ve misread it.

What opportunities will Crouse not have in Buffalo that he has in Arizona. I would like to hear this one.

He’s 3rd in icetime for ARZ forwards
He’d be 7th here- AT BEST

Don’t try & debate me dude, it’s always an L for you

What, ok since it's a loss for me. So he won't get icetime here. He would be the perfect 3LW for Krebs, someone that can forecheck and get the puck to him and can score. Also has the lowest OZ start time of any forward. Is good on the PK and very good at 5vs5. Nice debate I am glad you new his Ice time.

First of all, it’s “Knew”
I’m sorry you can’t spell

Secondly, i NEVER SAID CROUSE WAS A BAD IDEA
All i said is that his production would drop, which it will

TRY AGAIN THOUGH…. if u must

When did I say you said he was a bad idea, so the best you got is attacking my spelling. And how do you know his production will drop, please tell me, you have a Chrystal Ball you rub real hard that shows you things. Please go back to kiddie land, you are a joke.

You’re acting like i think Crouse is a bad idea

And it’s RATIONAL (i know that’s not your strong suit, but try & follow along) to think that someone’s production will drop when they see less icetime

It’s not rocket science pal
It’s not even spelling
It’s just common freaking sense

How is it RATIONAL, please explain. You know he actually might do better here, playing with better players that's RATIONAL

And who is better on our 3rd line that he’ll be playing with?
Lolololol
Playing 13-14min a night with some combo of Mitts, Olofsson & Jost is NOT gonna be good for him
Don’t Mitts & Olofsson stink???
Idk… that’s what I’ve been told anyways


Also, why the need to start **** with me on TWO different websites???
Get a life dude

It’s Friday night, I’m going out
You enjoy being a keyboard warrior with your fake friends
I’m gonna go interact with ppl in the real world

OK, I started with you Fitz, go enjoy yourself in LA LA Land. And I would expect him to play with Krebs and Kulich on the 3rd line. Bye Bye Fitz, Go have fun.

Sorry Mac, didn't mean to ruin the post!!

When someone has to throw an insult at you, it should be obvious that he lost the discussion.

Sure they do. Buffalo lacks a consistent, physical defenseman (Schenn), Goodrow fills a need of a physical winger that can play multiple positions while moving on from a player that isn't what they need plus adding an asset, Crouse is exactly what they need as a winger because he is what they don't have, and Soderstrom is a young two-way defenseman, something they need. The overpriced nature of Goodrow doesn't work for the Rangers but the Sabres can afford it over the next few years.

& yes, the pick is going to Buffalo from Vancouver. They get a younger player for an expiring veteran over 30. Also, the Sabres are in a position to trade a second for anyone as they have three in the upcoming draft and are overflowing with young talent, so they do not need those seconds to add more.

Schenn is expiring, but I see your point. Goodrow is severely overpaid for what he does and nobody needs him. Crouse is solid, but you dont need to trade for him because of all the guys you have in the wings. I get that he’s 6-4, but your team has Tuch and Thompson….

You guys are good, just keep it civil. I appreciate the discussion, and while I don't think Crouse will have the same impact he has in Arizona, that isn't why I would want to acquire him. A young, physical, big winger that also can score is what this team lacks, but I do think he would be a really strong fit next to Krebs/Kulich/Ostlund/Savoie. Adding Goodrow would be the same, except a veteran and more versatility.

The values are tough, but I don't think Mittelstadt has a ton of value and getting someone like Schenn is what the back end needs, IMO. At the very least he is cheaper and more available. Olofsson doesn't carry a ton of value either. I obviously am not opposed to getting a first in any deal by giving up a second, I just wasn't 100% in values.

As for Soderstrom, he isn't on the block and I haven't seen any rumors, but he is just taking longer than anticipated for reach the NHL for a high pick, and his size/skill/age profile is something that would compliment what Buffalo has. I think he would be a solid addition.

Let us all just bask in the psychopathic nature of Peyton Krebs getting in fights and be friends.

I definitely get what you're saying. Our third line (Mittelstadt-Jost-Olofsson) just is so blah and Mittelstadt needs to get moved, so it is just trying to get some value while also helping the team for the rest of the year as they push towards the playoffs. Goodrow is definitely overpaid, but Buffalo can afford him while acquiring another asset to take him on. He is essentially a more skilled Zemgus Girgenson and can fill a bottom-six role if Gigrensons/Okposo doesn't resign.

Crouse fits what they are building and is something they don't have in a big hitter but can also score. Thompson and Tuch are big dudes, but they aren't overly physical (at least in a hit first sense). The team has high-end skills guys at forward (Quinn, Peterka, Skinner) and in the pipeline (Savoie, Kulich, Ostlund, Rosen), but no one that plays the power forward role where they hit everything that moves. That is my main rational for bringing Crouse and Goodrow in.

Mittelstadt and Olofsson are what they are at this point and are redundant, so trying to get what you can for them and adding what you need I think could work (obviously maybe not these deals and I doubt they'll trade Mittelstadt at all)