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Hughes for Matthews

Créé par: tonyhzs
Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 27 déc. 2022
Publié: 27 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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None of the lineup matters. The question is, which player holds more trade value and why do you feel that way? Matthews is more expensive, and is about to get even more expensive, while Hughes is cost controlled for 7 more years at the low price of 8 million for a 1C.
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Which player is worth more? Matthews is the better/more prized/more established player, but at significantly more cap hit. Both are young enough that age vs expected performance will be pretty negligible in comparing whether or not either player will degrade or improve a ton over the life of the contract. Matthews will probably cost 13 million in his next deal, unless he gives a discount.
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27 déc. 2022 à 23 h 31
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Jersey wouldn't do it without some kind of extension in place ... which Matthews isn't able to sign until the offseason. With an extension, Jersey would probably be all over it.
27 déc. 2022 à 23 h 33
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this is a lot of overthinking, Matthews all the way
27 déc. 2022 à 23 h 34
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this is a lot of overthinking, Matthews all the way


How is thinking long term overthinking?
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27 déc. 2022 à 23 h 40
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Jersey wouldn't do it without some kind of extension in place ... which Matthews isn't able to sign until the offseason. With an extension, Jersey would probably be all over it.


Fair. Let's say the extension is in place for 13 million. Would you do it, a 1 for 1?
27 déc. 2022 à 23 h 45
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Leafs accept with something high end IMO.
Devils shouldn't. They have Bratt to resign with a bunch of young guns coming up as well, so they may not be able to afford Matthews extension
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27 déc. 2022 à 23 h 50
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Leafs accept with something high end IMO.
Devils shouldn't. They have Bratt to resign with a bunch of young guns coming up as well, so they may not be able to afford Matthews extension


My thinking too. I'd rather have a top 20 1C and a top 40 wing than a slightly better top 5 1C and that's it. That's really how this boils down, I think.
27 déc. 2022 à 23 h 52
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this is a lot of overthinking, Matthews all the way


And this is simply no thinking....guaranteed 7 more years of Hughes or a guy walking to UFA in a year...hmmm
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27 déc. 2022 à 23 h 57
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this is a lot of overthinking, Matthews all the way


Even with cap implications? Matthews is 3.6 million more than Hughes today, while his new contract goes north of 12 at least. Matthews is better, no doubt, but is he better than Hughes plus Bratt's next contract? I'd take Hughes and Bratt in my lineup over Matthews and 925k trash.
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And this is simply no thinking....guaranteed 7 more years of Hughes or a guy walking to UFA in a year...hmmm


Yup...
28 déc. 2022 à 0 h 3
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Full disclosure, I was in a different post and Leafs were jumping on me suggesting Hughes is worth less in a trade than Matthews. To me, the decision is not simple, but Hughes has officially received the Nathan MacKinnon Best Team Friendly Deal Award for the next 7 years.

*Hoping Mo Seider steals the award from Hughes in a couple years...
28 déc. 2022 à 0 h 38
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Hughes is locked up long-term, so would probably be taken by 29-30 GMs in this scenario. If Matthew’s have 5+ years could be different story
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28 déc. 2022 à 1 h 17
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Even with cap implications? Matthews is 3.6 million more than Hughes today, while his new contract goes north of 12 at least. Matthews is better, no doubt, but is he better than Hughes plus Bratt's next contract? I'd take Hughes and Bratt in my lineup over Matthews and 925k trash.


Iget that, but there's such a big gap between Matthews and Hughes, and Hughes is already a 1C. It's just a no brainer for me, cap implications or not, build a winning team around 34 and the odds of him resigning go up. The debate makes sense, but for me it's Matthews, with or without contract consideration
28 déc. 2022 à 3 h 3
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Matthews is no doubt the better player but I rather have Hughes' long term contract over Matthew's expiring contract. Even if Matthews resigns, he'll be $5M-$6M more costly than Hughes, which isn't worth it
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28 déc. 2022 à 8 h 39
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Hughes is a great player looking like he is going to have a fantastic career. His contract looks good but with all do respect. He shouldn't be included in the same sentence let alone breathe as Austin Matthews. You can bring up this debate again once he scores 50. Matthews will get a huge contract but player who can produce at his rate can get paid whatever they want. I'm not comparing Matthew to McDavid but is anyone complaining about McDavid's contract?
28 déc. 2022 à 10 h 12
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Hughes is a great player looking like he is going to have a fantastic career. His contract looks good but with all do respect. He shouldn't be included in the same sentence let alone breathe as Austin Matthews. You can bring up this debate again once he scores 50. Matthews will get a huge contract but player who can produce at his rate can get paid whatever they want. I'm not comparing Matthew to McDavid but is anyone complaining about McDavid's contract?


First, McDavid is in a world of his own. He and Draisatl dragged a team (constructed worse than the Leafs) to the WCF. HOW MANY PLAYOFF SERIES WINS HAS MATTHEWS DRAGGED THE LEAFS TO? Ok, now we got that out of the way.

Matthews scores 50, Hughes sets up 50, and scores 30 himself. Both players are ppg plus. Goal scorers are valued more than set up guys, but in this scenario, the net return from either is pretty close, with the slight tilt to Matthews. Hughes can only close the gap with Matthews, as Matthews is close to his peak while Hughes is still learning. The thing about goal scorers is when they go cold (and they do), their effectiveness drops dramatically. Set up guys going cold...doesn't really happen unless multiple linemates go cold, and it becomes a team issue.

The gap as not as big as you think, and in 3 years it is going to be pretty miniscule.
28 déc. 2022 à 10 h 35
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First, McDavid is in a world of his own. He and Draisatl dragged a team (constructed worse than the Leafs) to the WCF. HOW MANY PLAYOFF SERIES WINS HAS MATTHEWS DRAGGED THE LEAFS TO? Ok, now we got that out of the way.

Matthews scores 50, Hughes sets up 50, and scores 30 himself. Both players are ppg plus. Goal scorers are valued more than set up guys, but in this scenario, the net return from either is pretty close, with the slight tilt to Matthews. Hughes can only close the gap with Matthews, as Matthews is close to his peak while Hughes is still learning. The thing about goal scorers is when they go cold (and they do), their effectiveness drops dramatically. Set up guys going cold...doesn't really happen unless multiple linemates go cold, and it becomes a team issue.

The gap as not as big as you think, and in 3 years it is going to be pretty miniscule.


I mean, I did say "I'm not comparing Matthew to McDavid." Plus when has any leaf dragged the team to the second round? (flushed cheeks. I'll send you my bill for therapy) While they are very different players and you're right about goal scorers being more streaky and set up guys being more dependable. Goal scorers will always be considered more valuable. Hughes is having an amazing year and he's still so young. But They aren't in the same tier as of right now. Not saying he is a plug or that he never can be or that he is way worse. Just not at that level
28 déc. 2022 à 10 h 49
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I mean, I did say "I'm not comparing Matthew to McDavid." Plus when has any leaf dragged the team to the second round? (flushed cheeks. I'll send you my bill for therapy) While they are very different players and you're right about goal scorers being more streaky and set up guys being more dependable. Goal scorers will always be considered more valuable. Hughes is having an amazing year and he's still so young. But They aren't in the same tier as of right now. Not saying he is a plug or that he never can be or that he is way worse. Just not at that level


You did indeed say you weren't comparing the two, but then you compared contracts by stating that people don't complain about McDavids contract. By bringing McDavid into a conversation about Matthews, you are indeed comparing the two. People complain about Matthews contract every year because, in comparison to McDavid, he does not even come close to living up to his cap hit.

The benefit of Matthews to Hughes is marginal at best, considering Hughes has just started (and already above ppg this year and last). Matthews eats a bunch more cap hit today, and a lot more cap hit on his next deal. Unless Matthews slices off salary in his next deal, Hughes will be more valuable.
28 déc. 2022 à 10 h 52
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You did indeed say you weren't comparing the two, but then you compared contracts by stating that people don't complain about McDavids contract. By bringing McDavid into a conversation about Matthews, you are indeed comparing the two. People complain about Matthews contract every year because, in comparison to McDavid, he does not even come close to living up to his cap hit.

The benefit of Matthews to Hughes is marginal at best, considering Hughes has just started (and already above ppg this year and last). Matthews eats a bunch more cap hit today, and a lot more cap hit on his next deal. Unless Matthews slices off salary in his next deal, Hughes will be more valuable.


Lets check back in 3 years and see who's right about this
 
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