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Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 26 déc. 2022
Publié: 26 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 250 000 $
21 250 000 $
1950 000 $
33 250 000 $
2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
74 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Depth, UFA
1775 000 $
Depth, UFA
1775 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Frost, Morgan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Konecny, Travis
Détails additionnels:
Willman
PHI
  1. Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon [Droits de RFA]
  2. Hirvonen, Roni
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Engvall
Kerfoot
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
2024
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de OTT
2025
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2284 000 000 $83 573 950 $0 $0 $426 050 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
796 667 $796 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
834 167 $834 167 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
C
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
800 000 $800 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
4 687 500 $4 687 500 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
950 000 $950 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Depth, UFA
775 000 $775 000 $
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Depth, UFA
775 000 $775 000 $

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26 déc. 2022 à 10 h 16
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Outside of the ‘23 first you’ve provided nothing of value. Leaf fans need to understand that Philly isn’ t shopping TK. If you want him you’re going to pay a heavy price.
26 déc. 2022 à 10 h 38
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No logic is making a 23/24 trade and including summer of 2023 UFAs Kerfoot and Engvall.
26 déc. 2022 à 12 h 24
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Quoting: Clarky11
Outside of the ‘23 first you’ve provided nothing of value. Leaf fans need to understand that Philly isn’ t shopping TK. If you want him you’re going to pay a heavy price.


I think that makes sense.

What about sandin, Samsonov, and a first? Going for a top 6-top 3 guy that is what it takes. Then again you have Hart, but re-up Samsonov at 3 mil maybe or maybe take kalgren and a forward, sandin, and a first.

I totally agree Konecny is a very good player, I think he'll have a long all star career too.
26 déc. 2022 à 12 h 26
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No logic is making a 23/24 trade and including summer of 2023 UFAs Kerfoot and Engvall.


I think to a rebuilding team guys that are close to NHL ready last year of Ufa having their rights, I don't think it's that weird
26 déc. 2022 à 12 h 33
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Quoting: MaxBorjshlapsky
I think that makes sense.

What about sandin, Samsonov, and a first? Going for a top 6-top 3 guy that is what it takes. Then again you have Hart, but re-up Samsonov at 3 mil maybe or maybe take kalgren and a forward, sandin, and a first.

I totally agree Konecny is a very good player, I think he'll have a long all star career too.


Absolutely not. Sandin and Samsonov are not only parts of the leafs future, but also now, no interest in trading either for Konecny. A Konecny trade would be centred around picks and prospects.
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Absolutely not. Sandin and Samsonov are not only parts of the leafs future, but also now, no interest in trading either for Konecny. A Konecny trade would be centred around picks and prospects.


Everyone makes the point of "future" I have not seen it once or twice, it's been replied to me about 10 times. If the response was how sandin is super important to the Leafs current team I'd take it more serious but the response is always "future" and I agree but lillgren has clearly separated himself from sandin, Rasmus is a mirror of himself from last season, a bit slow, a bit soft, but with some physical strengthening and confidence he will be pretty good so naturally you trade a guy that can be a top 4 in a couple years for someone who is a top 4 right now IF you're on the cusp of breaking through in the playoffs but if everyone and Dubas wants to secure that "future" then we will wait and see.
26 déc. 2022 à 12 h 46
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Quoting: MaxBorjshlapsky
Everyone makes the point of "future" I have not seen it once or twice, it's been replied to me about 10 times. If the response was how sandin is super important to the Leafs current team I'd take it more serious but the response is always "future" and I agree but lillgren has clearly separated himself from sandin, Rasmus is a mirror of himself from last season, a bit slow, a bit soft, but with some physical strengthening and confidence he will be pretty good so naturally you trade a guy that can be a top 4 in a couple years for someone who is a top 4 right now IF you're on the cusp of breaking through in the playoffs but if everyone and Dubas wants to secure that "future" then we will wait and see.


I specifically said they are both big parts of the team now as well. Sandin is in the top 4 and Sammy is one of the leafs tandem goalies. I’d love to get Konecny, don’t get me wrong, but I’m not trading either of those guys, let alone both, for him.
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I specifically said they are both big parts of the team now as well. Sandin is in the top 4 and Sammy is one of the leafs tandem goalies. I’d love to get Konecny, don’t get me wrong, but I’m not trading either of those guys, let alone both, for him.


I think sandin and Samsonov are like surplus players they're guys that the Leafs have that are good but have so many guys ahead of them like Murray and all the D, Samsonov is an upcoming rfa, and kalgren is a legitimate back-up.

But ok I see how you said they are important now I missed that but at the moment I think they're trade chips right now that's my belief.
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26 déc. 2022 à 12 h 57
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Quoting: palhal
No logic is making a 23/24 trade and including summer of 2023 UFAs Kerfoot and Engvall.


Quoting: palhal
No logic is making a 23/24 trade and including summer of 2023 UFAs Kerfoot and Engvall.

literally showing the trade from the previous acgm so yeah it needs to be there
26 déc. 2022 à 16 h 0
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Quoting: MaxBorjshlapsky
I think sandin and Samsonov are like surplus players they're guys that the Leafs have that are good but have so many guys ahead of them like Murray and all the D, Samsonov is an upcoming rfa, and kalgren is a legitimate back-up.

But ok I see how you said they are important now I missed that but at the moment I think they're trade chips right now that's my belief.


The leafs could trade them but I’d much rather pay out picks and prospects for a guy like Konecny.
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The leafs could trade them but I’d much rather pay out picks and prospects for a guy like Konecny.


I hear that but the leafs are pretty slim in picks, I think they should try to maybe grab a couple picks that would be some future security while they are going all in right now. They've been giving picks away for a while, I wouldn't be too concerned about the mid to bottom level guys they have to shore up the core group if they want to make a run. But we'll see what happens.
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Quoting: MaxBorjshlapsky
I hear that but the leafs are pretty slim in picks, I think they should try to maybe grab a couple picks that would be some future security while they are going all in right now. They've been giving picks away for a while, I wouldn't be too concerned about the mid to bottom level guys they have to shore up the core group if they want to make a run. But we'll see what happens.


I see where you’re coming from but contenders rarely, if ever, give up players like that mid season.
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Quoting: MaxBorjshlapsky
I think that makes sense.

What about sandin, Samsonov, and a first? Going for a top 6-top 3 guy that is what it takes. Then again you have Hart, but re-up Samsonov at 3 mil maybe or maybe take kalgren and a forward, sandin, and a first.

I totally agree Konecny is a very good player, I think he'll have a long all star career too.


To get Konecny I think they’d have to dump a player as well right? Depending how much Engvall makes he could go.
I’d say that if Philly said ‘screw it, let’s rebuild’ and they sell Konecny they’d want picks and prospects. Looking at that ‘23 first, Knies and Niemela. Engvall as a salary dump? Philly throws in a prospect too or a third maybe. Leaf fans would hate it but Konecny is good and they’d have every contender in the league calling at the TDL.
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To get Konecny I think they’d have to dump a player as well right? Depending how much Engvall makes he could go.
I’d say that if Philly said ‘screw it, let’s rebuild’ and they sell Konecny they’d want picks and prospects. Looking at that ‘23 first, Knies and Niemela. Engvall as a salary dump? Philly throws in a prospect too or a third maybe. Leaf fans would hate it but Konecny is good and they’d have every contender in the league calling at the TDL.


I completely agree, if for some reason Philly wanted to shop konecny, I couldn't even say why I just like the though of konecny in Toronto.

Absolutely think he's worth 1 or 2 first, NHL proven prospect like sandin, maybe a vet to help like kerfoot or engvall young player with upside just I guess to add 2-3 players to their lineup making them more well rounded but I think konecny is a guy that can be built around and is still very young. With another team maybe konecny for another 5 or 6M guy at 1 for 1 but he would take a lot in my opinion.
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I thought this was my transaction though lol been here in the forum way too much. Overall like clarky said Philly wouldn't be shopping konecny but he's a stud got to put up a big offer for him and he's on a fair deal too.
 
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