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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 24 déc. 2022
Publié: 24 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Maccelli, Matias
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Playmaker RFA not even arb eligible

2nd in rookie points
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  1. Armia, Joel
  2. Farrell, Sean [Liste de réserve]
  3. Xhekaj, Arber
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DD that doesn't force turnovers with 2-way D potential but can't play 18 mins
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24 déc. 2022 à 22 h 0
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Teams never trade young players that are playing really well especially if they’re rebuilding . Arizona obviously declines. Maccelli is too good to move
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24 déc. 2022 à 22 h 0
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Calder candidate for guy with cool name. Arizona declines
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24 déc. 2022 à 22 h 1
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Arizona shouldn't do that
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24 déc. 2022 à 22 h 14
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Why would Arizona consider that?
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24 déc. 2022 à 22 h 18
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I don't think MTL trade Xhekaj unless they get a Romanov-like offer.
24 déc. 2022 à 22 h 20
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I don't think MTL trade Xhekaj unless they get a Romanov-like offer.


based on?
24 déc. 2022 à 22 h 22
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Teams never trade young players that are playing really well especially if they’re rebuilding . Arizona obviously declines. Maccelli is too good to move


Quoting: Nathaniel
Calder candidate for guy with cool name. Arizona declines


Quoting: Jfstompers
Arizona shouldn't do that


Quoting: Db1899
Why would Arizona consider that?


daddies chill, this is to open a discussion on value of players

Quoting: LIRIK
I don't think MTL trade Xhekaj unless they get a Romanov-like offer.


because of fans who say this
24 déc. 2022 à 22 h 29
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daddies chill, this is to open a discussion on value of players



because of fans who say this


I'm not saying he's worth a top 15 pick. But why would MTL trade him for less than that? I wouldn't trade him for a late 1st or a B prospect.
24 déc. 2022 à 22 h 32
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I'm not saying he's worth a top 15 pick. But why would MTL trade him for less than that? I wouldn't trade him for a late 1st or a B prospect.


okay, based on what?

and

Macelli is a b prospect?
24 déc. 2022 à 22 h 58
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The habs arent trading Arber for a forward with fewer goals this season
24 déc. 2022 à 23 h 23
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Quoting: LIRIK
I don't think MTL trade Xhekaj unless they get a Romanov-like offer.


Lol what? They upgrade Xhekaj to a better rookie, and they dumb Armia. They’d be stupid to reject this.
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24 déc. 2022 à 23 h 44
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Lol what? They upgrade Xhekaj to a better rookie, and they dumb Armia. They’d be stupid to reject this.


I don't think Maccelli is a better player. MTL don't need another small winger prospect. With 25M cap space next summer, they don't need to dump Armia.
24 déc. 2022 à 23 h 54
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I don't think Maccelli is a better player. MTL don't need another small winger prospect. With 25M cap space next summer, they don't need to dump Armia.


Maccelli isn’t a better player than Xhekaj??
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25 déc. 2022 à 0 h 2
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Maccelli isn’t a better player than Xhekaj??


That's what i just said. They're both young, who knows how they grow. But right now, i'd take Xhekaj over Maccelli.
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That's what i just said. They're both young, who knows how they grow. But right now, i'd take Xhekaj over Maccelli.


Your bias would take a future depth d man over the current Calder trophy favorite?
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25 déc. 2022 à 3 h 40
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Your bias would take a future depth d man over the current Calder trophy favorite?


Matthew Beniers is the Calder favorite.

After taking a better look at Maccelli, i agree he's a better player than Xhekaj.
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25 déc. 2022 à 9 h 14
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Your bias would take a future depth d man over the current Calder trophy favorite?


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Maccelli isn’t a better player than Xhekaj??


Quoting: Db1899
Why would Arizona consider that?


Quoting: LIRIK
Matthew Beniers is the Calder favorite.

After taking a better look at Maccelli, i agree he's a better player than Xhekaj.


We did it! It's a Christmas miracle on Capfriendly Street!
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25 déc. 2022 à 9 h 43
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Farrel= no deal
He's a favorite for Hobey Baker Award (sources are NCAA and NHL's official sites)
Leading one of the top NCAA lines Centering Coronato and Laferriere
This after falling 1 point short of Slafkovsky OG scoring title in 3 less games as
He as he became the 1st habs prospect to Lead Team USA since Caufield

Coach Nicholas our skills Coach MSL brought on would riot if we Gave Away Farrel like he was nothing.
Its like Giving away Roy who's done less in the same timeframe
Especially when the player we're getting isnt as good as Farrell is projected to be .
His NHL Certainty is higher now only because he's in the NHL but before that Dobber had his upside odds as 7/10 just like most players Maccelli/Farrel's size/draft positions.

Given Farrel and both his linemates are in their Sophmore NCAA year where they've been a dominate force
I just dont see an upside in giving him away for Macceli who i actually like but wouldnt trade for given where he's at versus where we're at.
With so many junior players being forced to turn Pro next year you're just putting more pieces in the way.
Roy in particular has formed into an all around player after back to back scoring titles in junior he's become a complete 2 way threat.
Team Canada use's him to shut down the top offensive peers in his age group.
25 déc. 2022 à 9 h 58
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Farrel= no deal
He's a favorite for Hobey Baker Award (sources are NCAA and NHL's official sites)
Leading one of the top NCAA lines Centering Coronato and Laferriere
This after falling 1 point short of Slafkovsky OG scoring title in 3 less games as
He as he became the 1st habs prospect to Lead Team USA since Caufield

Coach Nicholas our skills Coach MSL brought on would riot if we Gave Away Farrel like he was nothing.
Its like Giving away Roy who's done less in the same timeframe
Especially when the player we're getting isnt as good as Farrell is projected to be .
His NHL Certainty is higher now only because he's in the NHL but before that Dobber had his upside odds as 7/10 just like most players Maccelli/Farrel's size/draft positions.

Given Farrel and both his linemates are in their Sophmore NCAA year where they've been a dominate force
I just dont see an upside in giving him away for Macceli who i actually like but wouldnt trade for given where he's at versus where we're at.
With so many junior players being forced to turn Pro next year you're just putting more pieces in the way.
Roy in particular has formed into an all around player after back to back scoring titles in junior he's become a complete 2 way threat.
Team Canada use's him to shut down the top offensive peers in his age group.


Maccelli is the player you hope Farrel becomes... remember Jimmy Vesey?

Where exactly is Maccelli at vs where you're at?

He's not ARB eligible and 22 and can feed the puck to Slav/Anderson on your 2nd line for like 8 x 5ish which will age beautifully
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25 déc. 2022 à 10 h 26
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Maccelli is the player you hope Farrel becomes... remember Jimmy Vesey?

Where exactly is Maccelli at vs where you're at?

He's not ARB eligible and 22 and can feed the puck to Slav/Anderson on your 2nd line for like 8 x 5ish which will age beautifully


The argument lazy people use when they got nothing to offer in context.
Hayes DECLARED himself a UFA before he was one saying he wouldnt sign

Farrel on the otherhand has taken advantage of every option to work with MTL despite all the NCAA restrictions.
He cant come to camp so he shows up to Draft Camp to play with the rookies the last 2 years as that's allowed.
Working with Coach Nicholas this year in particular saw him get help after jumping to Center fulltime as a NCAA rookie(where he has hit a new level since)
MSL and Coach Nicholas are our NCAA insiders who unlike MB wont be hands off with NCAA talent.
He has the chance to come up and Center or play beside Caufield who's probably one of the best US born Goal Scorer's of his generation.
What more could a proven Playmaker want ?

Anyways MTL doesnt lose NCAA talent
Same argument was made about Harris and he remained that he always intended to sign with MTL like most all NCAA prospects do with their drafted teams
25 déc. 2022 à 10 h 35
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That's what i just said. They're both young, who knows how they grow. But right now, i'd take Xhekaj over Maccelli.


Xhekaj ceiling is a #5 D, macelli ceiling is an elite winger .

Macelli is 5x better than xhekaj right now
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25 déc. 2022 à 10 h 37
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Maccelli is the player you hope Farrel becomes... remember Jimmy Vesey?

Where exactly is Maccelli at vs where you're at?

He's not ARB eligible and 22 and can feed the puck to Slav/Anderson on your 2nd line for like 8 x 5ish which will age beautifully


"Slav/Anderson" has been a line all of what 5 games?
Slaf/Mesar are the future and they need a Center or a Winger capable Center who like Andrew Shaw can help Mesar make that jump the same way Danault did.

If it was me personally Dvorsky in this years draft is how i fill that hole long term.
Slovak line featuring their 3 best forward prospects could be legit as the Russian like was for DET success under Scotty Bowman.
We have not 1 but 2 picks falling where Dvorsky is projected to fall in the draft so odds are he's ours.

If it was me personally i'd trade for Turcotte who was Caufields long time Center.
Turcotte without Caufield has struggled to live up to his projections as a top 6 Center prospect.
LAK has him now battling 3 other young Centers for one job on 3rd line which has seen him stuck in the AHL 3 years now.
After a few years top 6 center with mostly Byfield or Kupari depending on which of the 3 were called up that ended recently.
LAK this year removed Turcotte from Center pushing him to wing

Maccelli is a good player dont get me wrong
He just doesnt fit our needs today

Next year maybe but without Monahan and likely Dvorak by then Centers has to be the focus
Especially after a year where we had 15 wingers all year with atleast 1-2 on IR all year.
Its like building a car from scratch and buying the tires first instead of the frame.
25 déc. 2022 à 11 h 6
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Xhekaj ceiling is a #5 D, macelli ceiling is an elite winger .

Macelli is 5x better than xhekaj right now


kinda true ish
Except you're comparing a Dmitri Orlov 4th/5th Defensman like he's on par with a Middle 6 Forward.
Lets face it that's what he is on any team that isnt bottom 5 in the NHL , no one's using him on their top line otherwise.
So Elite can be removed and replace with Future All Star or something to that effect as he'll likely make it on his playmaking /passing skills alone one day.

To me it about even's out.
Minutes vs the roles they play while also considering their projections.
We're basically exchanging Orlov for Burakovsky like there's a huge difference in value outside the TDL(at TDL its supply vs demand so depending on the year either could be more valuable)
While Burakovsky is good it took him until he was 26 to even approach All Star Status which he's still waiting to be granted in his 2nd year of 50+ point pace.
MTL cannot wait that long for a player Dobber projects to be a 48-52 point player in his prime
25 déc. 2022 à 11 h 17
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kinda true ish
Except you're comparing a Dmitri Orlov 4th/5th Defensman like he's on par with a Middle 6 Forward.
Lets face it that's what he is on any team that isnt bottom 5 in the NHL , no one's using him on their top line otherwise.
So Elite can be removed and replace with Future All Star or something to that effect as he'll likely make it on his playmaking /passing skills alone one day.

To me it about even's out.
Minutes vs the roles they play while also considering their projections.
We're basically exchanging Orlov for Burakovsky like there's a huge difference in value outside the TDL(at TDL its supply vs demand so depending on the year either could be more valuable)
While Burakovsky is good it took him until he was 26 to even approach All Star Status which he's still waiting to be granted in his 2nd year of 50+ point pace.
MTL cannot wait that long for a player Dobber projects to be a 48-52 point player in his prime


Orlov is a top pair D and his game is nothing like Xhekaj. Orlov is a puck moving high end two way D with elite 4 way mobility. Xkekaj is more like a Luke Schenn.

Macelli is on pace for 60 points this season as a 22 YO. In his prime he’ll be a 70-75 pt two way winger
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25 déc. 2022 à 11 h 26
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Quoting: Db1899
Orlov is a top pair D and his game is nothing like Xhekaj. Orlov is a puck moving high end two way D with elite 4 way mobility. Xkekaj is more like a Luke Schenn.

Macelli is on pace for 60 points this season as a 22 YO. In his prime he’ll be a 70-75 pt two way winger


Quoting: Billy739
kinda true ish
Except you're comparing a Dmitri Orlov 4th/5th Defensman like he's on par with a Middle 6 Forward.
Lets face it that's what he is on any team that isnt bottom 5 in the NHL , no one's using him on their top line otherwise.
So Elite can be removed and replace with Future All Star or something to that effect as he'll likely make it on his playmaking /passing skills alone one day.

To me it about even's out.
Minutes vs the roles they play while also considering their projections.
We're basically exchanging Orlov for Burakovsky like there's a huge difference in value outside the TDL(at TDL its supply vs demand so depending on the year either could be more valuable)
While Burakovsky is good it took him until he was 26 to even approach All Star Status which he's still waiting to be granted in his 2nd year of 50+ point pace.
MTL cannot wait that long for a player Dobber projects to be a 48-52 point player in his prime


Dobber also has Valimaki listed as a top prospect winger for AZU instead of the depth Dman that he is...

Maybe admit you could be wrong in your evaluation and do a DEEP dive into both players instead of ranting about coaching potential into prospects who haven't played in the AHL even

The Vesey comparison wasnt about not signing with his draft team... it was about him not being anywhere near as talented in the NHL as he was in NCAA vs grown men, not boys. Many teams were very wrong about him.
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