For those players you need to send the HABS either Byfiled or Turcotte

Lol what? I don't see Caufield, Slafkovski, Suzuki or Guhle on his trades. Those are the only players on Montreal's squad that would require Turcotte or Byfield.

I don't see MTL making any of these deals imo. Not that LA would necessarily make them either.

Haha....that's a but extreme, don't you say?
Xhekaj might have a bit more value than Spence, but those 2 Centers? Get outta here.
Spence is just a right handed version of Harris, who is not as nhl ready. A 3rd is good enough compensation.
For Allen, maybe more than a 1st, considering Allen could be worth 2 2nds and Petersen a 2nd and a 3rd to dump, but those 2 Cs were drafted 3rd and 5th. That's way too much for a difference between Allen and Petersen

As far as the trades, I'd probably do the WiFi for Spence one, iffy on the Harris one, and absolute no on the Jake Allen one.

Allen isn't lighting the world on fire or anything. He's quite literally BARELY a 0.900 save percentage and his contract is only 1.5mil less than Petersens. Nothing there worth sending a 1st over for.

You`re asking for WiFi who is presently the leading rookie defenceman in goals and who punches like Chris Nilan and Hits like Scott Stevens. He is an aberration of a defenseman. Everyone wants him. You need to pay

Sure. We'll give you Spence like the trade says. He's an offensive dynamo ala Durzi with the defensive awareness that Durzi doesn't have. He's the second best defensive prospect in the pipeline behind Clarke.

Also, you need to take off the red and blue glasses. You're comparing a third pairing defenseman to a hall of Famer and a guy with 700 games of NHL experience. Let's calm down a bit. I like Xhekaj a lot, but he's got a LOT to prove before being put in with names like that.

Habs fans living up to their reputation I see.

Player A

6'4 238lb smooth skating dman top 5 fighter in the league with 9 points in the NHL this year

Player B

5'11 185 lb centre with injury concerns and only 6 points in the ahl.

Hmm whos worth more?

If only hockey was as simple as the exact moment in time you snapshotted cherry-picked stats.

They are the same age (less than a month apart) so the direct comparison is valid. One player is a contributing NHL regular and the other is alex turcotte .

Who give a **** where he was drafted its no longer relevant.

Given pretty closely the stats you picked, the Canadians should have traded Cole Caulfied to Colorado for Kurtis MacDermid last year before Cole was sent down. It's not always about what's immediately happening, and the Kings aren't going to downplay what they think Alex Turcotte is worth because he's had the misfortune of having two concussions to recover from.

I'm not talking about draft position, I'm talking about future development, belief in future impact to the team, and not making dumb business decisions by selling low.

What a moronic comparison.

Macdermid is 28 years old caufield is 21.

Arber and Alex are the SAME AGE. Arber is more valuable than Alex because he has developed into a more valuable player.

There's no age in this comparison.

I quoted that they were the same age before ypu made the macdermid comparison genius

You seem to be getting upset that I poked holes in your very own argument. Maybe take a breath.

My point was simply that nothing is ever as simple as just cherry-picked stats. You're correct in that there is an age difference between Cole and Kurtis, which is why a trade like that wouldn't happen. Turcotte has been injured and Xhekaj hasn't gone through the same things, another difference. But there are plenty of players who have returned from injury to make impacts on their NHL teams. Bowen Byram is one such example. I would not trade the potential value of Alex Turcotte for the current value of Xhekaj. That may end up being the wrong choice 5-10 years in the future, but I'm still willing to take that gamble.

How is it poking holes when you make a false claim?

Value wise today Arber is worth significantly more than turcotte that is very obvious

Badaboom

Both Prospects are not progressing as expected.
Turcotte's in his 3rd AHL year as a middle 6 center until this season when he was pushed to wing.
Byfield just got sent down his 3rd year Pro

Every player you named Jumped to the NHL without any AHL time.
Suzuki and Ghule from the CHL, Slafkovsky from Europe and Caufield from NCAA.
Byfield is a good solid player who's just massive and in time should be fine.
Turcotte on the other hand is producing less then Jake Evans after he turned pro from the NCAA.
Jake was atleast the top Center when he was in the AHL playing 19-20 minutes a night.
Just saying for a 3rd year Pro you'd atleast expect improvement at the AHL level , but there's been none.

Honestly i think for Turcotte is good just dont think he's lived up to his potential and unlike Byfield he's not growing into his frame.
I mean i'd still take him based on his chemistry with Caufield alone but i view him as less valuable then you do as im not even sure being a center is an option for Turcotte.
Turcotte is 58th in points produced in the 2019 draft class and the only player take in the top 20 overall to register single digit games in his career thus far.
That was the Dach/Caufield draft to put it into context and Dach who's destroyed Turcotte's progression was traded due to him being percieved as not living up to his potential.
CHI actively shopped him and the best they could get was a 13th OA pick for a player who despite struggling was doing much better then Turcotte.

Again Byfield there's the argument he just has to grow into his massive frame to find NHL consistency, maybe get more consistent on Faceoffs.
But Turcotte IMO is in a system too deep to get the attention required for him to hit the NHL strong as a regular.
I'd give up a later 1st round pick with either a decent prospect or a mediocre one and a 2nd rounder.
That'd be about it though. Byfield i'd give up a 10th-20th OA pick , good prospect and a 2nd round pick(he can likely get more in a year if he can crack the LAK line up as a regular again)

Not really
I mean i'm a Xhekaj guy, hope he retires here.
But Enforcers even the really good one's rarely get 1st and 2nd round picks.
When they do its after they're established 4-5 years in the NHL showing consistency.
I mean he's a good player but he's a Dmitri Orlov style 4th/5th defensman when it comes to 5v5.

Xhekaj's current value i'd figure is a 3rd round pick and a decent prospect.
Harris's value is a 3rd or 4th round pick as it stands today.

Turcotte's value's taken a hit but his AHL team plays him Wing , kinda hard to expect much from him as a Center.
I think in MTL he'd play well and could join Dach in the 2019 draft draft player who was struggling before coming to MTL.
Plus a move like that opens up Slafkovsky to play with Suzuki while Caufield plays with Turcotte who was always at his best beside Caufield

Not arguing in favor of the trade, but playing behind several rookie defensemen in a development year is going to impact his numbers.
He's getting paid because he signed up expecting to get bombarded. Petersen is getting paid because he's supposed to perform better.

You are so far off base.

Enforcers who actually can play hockey are literally some of the most highly sought after players in the nhl.

He isnt some fringe goon he is in the top echelon of his age group (literally the 6th youngest nhl dman this year)

He is easily worth more than turcotte at this point

That's a solid, and well thought-out response and I appreciate that.

I do agree that Turcotte hasn't developed as we'd hoped. Concussions have a way of doing that to players. And I'll disagree with regards to Byfield's development. He was always expected to be more of a longer-term project.

I will, however, point out that "as expected" in today's day and age almost always means "immediately". Social media and different coverage outlets have allowed people to focus on the people who break out year-1, and expect every single high pick to go that exact same route. And to me, that's not a conclusive way to judge players.

For example, players like Seider and Zegras were studs last year in their opening season but have had some serious struggles this year. If this was their first opportunity in the league, many would be talking more about how they haven't developed "as expected."

Whereas guys on the LA Kings, who go through a very deliberate development process (much to the anger of fans, because trust me, we want to see quicker progress in our prospects more than anyone else), tend to break out a little bit later. Guys like Adrian Kempe, who came into his own as a top-6 guy last year. Gabe Vilardi, who after YEARS of injuries (kind of reminds you of what Turcotte is doing now), broke out to start the season. The Kings just take it much slower because they have the NHL depth to allow them to take it slower.

That's why I still bet on Turcotte to have value in the long term. And why I wouldn't trade a package outside of the top-5 in this year's draft for Byfield. These guys will show up. It'll just take longer than I want it to lol.

Harris isnt going anywhere. Guy has too much potential and the Habs like him.

Id do Allen and Struble for a 1st 2023 and Spence