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Rags 2023 TDL according to rumors

Créé par: AG_sweden
Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 22 déc. 2022
Publié: 22 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
- NYR are extremely cap stuck. Don't have a whole of lot of contract to move.
- Lindgren, mr warrior, heart and soul (don't see them moving him)
- Chytil, breakout year (do you really favor Kane over 23 year old that has better point per game numbers? NO)
- Laffy? sure could move even though possibility on getting screwed on that deal is 100 %. (then add that to the cost of acquiring Kane)
- Kakko (if included in the deal don't need to worry about him but still wouldn't have enough money to resign Kane even with him gone)
- K'Andre Miller big, fast, mobile defender (Do they favor Kane resign over Miller, not if you ever seen Miller play you don't).
- Is it really worth it? I don't see that it is.
- I hope that Drury shares these concerns. Because a trade like this would snowball into more moves (Chytil) because you don't do a trade like this and to have a guy for 3 months, you just don't... and Chytil because he will be the most expensive player to retain.
- So in reality it is throw away Kakko and first pick for three months of Kane...
- If to try to save that move and sacrifice Chytil too... Than reality of that trade gets even worse.
- Don't worry my last time trying to explain to you all.
- Am I the only one that sees WHY THEY SHOULDN'T do this?
Transactions
NYR
  1. Kane, Patrick (5 225 000 $ retained)
  2. Khaira, Jujhar
Détails additionnels:
- So it is not about good not good, picks not picks, it is purely bad asset management to do something like this. And awful cap management.
CHI
  1. Blais, Samuel
  2. Kakko, Kaapo
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (DAL)
Détails additionnels:
- I seen this as a desired benchmark form some CHI fans. The return doesn't matter because it ain't happening.
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
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22 déc. 2022 à 5 h 37
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The only thing I'll say is you say kakko is nothing to worry about if he gets trade but laf is yet imo kakko is the better all around player
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22 déc. 2022 à 5 h 40
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Quoting: NYRxLundqvist
The only thing I'll say is you say kakko is nothing to worry about if he gets trade but laf is yet imo kakko is the better all around player


I mean contract wise. If you read my description it us pretty clear I am very much against this whole Kane to NYR hysteria
22 déc. 2022 à 5 h 45
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I mean contract wise. If you read my description it us pretty clear I am very much against this whole Kane to NYR hysteria


Yeah ik you're against. Me too. Only way I think it possible is kravtsov and a 1st
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22 déc. 2022 à 5 h 48
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Yeah ik you're against. Me too. Only way I think it possible is kravtsov and a 1st


Yeah again sure because he doesn't have a solid position on the team which makes sense when getting a rental, which is all Kane can ever be. But NYR isn't an all-out offensive team, so not sure how that would work with Gallant?
22 déc. 2022 à 8 h 1
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I really do believe that if the Rangers do this, it will be just like Giroux trade last year. Kravtsov, 1st, and maybe conditional 3rd. If it is anything more than that, I doubt they do it.
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22 déc. 2022 à 8 h 45
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Khaira hasn't forgotten about Trouba's head shot concussing him for months. If you need a 4th liner...it'll probably be someone else.

I know your position. Can't fault you for that. I think Kaner will extend though. That's why the prices seem to be high from the NYR perspective
22 déc. 2022 à 8 h 47
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Khaira hasn't forgotten about Trouba's head shot concussing him for months. If you need a 4th liner...it'll probably be someone else.

I know your position. Can't fault you for that. I think Kaner will extend though. That's why the prices seem to be high from the NYR perspective


But that would screw a Chytil or Miller resign, so that would be added to thr cost of Kane. I looked at it and it just doesnt make sense.

I agree with what you said about Khaira.
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22 déc. 2022 à 8 h 49
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I really do believe that if the Rangers do this, it will be just like Giroux trade last year. Kravtsov, 1st, and maybe conditional 3rd. If it is anything more than that, I doubt they do it.


Why do you think Kravstov = Tippett? 16 points in 28 games vs a healthy scratch... And Giroux gave PHI 1 team to trade with. If Kaner forces to the NYR...ok then closer to Giroux for sure.
22 déc. 2022 à 8 h 51
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Another thread here which shows sound reason why NOT to trade for Kane...if it doesn't sink in that trading a 5X5 contributor/work horse for a PP compiler is a bad idea, then let this sink in:

GOODROW IN THE TOP 6.

Goodrow for sure is an asset in the bottom 6 (well, really for NYR he should be on 4th line)...but any team relying on him in a top 6 capacity- I'm sorry is not a serious Cup contender....so if (after making a Kane deal) NYR are not a heavy weight Cup contender- then why bother with the deal in the first place?

The answer regarding Kane is really simple- and comes down to this: unless they can get Kane on the relative cheap (think Zuccarello deal w/ DAL) then the move is to walk away from the table. Only way I would part with either 1st in a Kane deal is if it's a condition based on them winning the Cup. And no way does CHI do this!
22 déc. 2022 à 8 h 53
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But that would screw a Chytil or Miller resign, so that would be added to thr cost of Kane. I looked at it and it just doesnt make sense.

I agree with what you said about Khaira.


I'm obviously not 100% sure what Kane would agree to, but I have a feeling he wouldn't break you bank. He does want to win more than he wants another big contract.
22 déc. 2022 à 8 h 55
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I'm obviously not 100% sure what Kane would agree to, but I have a feeling he wouldn't break you bank. He does want to win more than he wants another big contract.


I doubt he go under 4 M and rangers if to resign Chytil, Lafrenière and Miller would have around 2 M left. Do you think he sign for that? I don't even in my wildest dreams believe that.
22 déc. 2022 à 9 h 17
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I doubt he go under 4 M and rangers if to resign Chytil, Lafrenière and Miller would have around 2 M left. Do you think he sign for that? I don't even in my wildest dreams believe that.


It's a tough spot for sure and all speculation really. I wouldn't be too surprised if it were a tad more than that. What would your expecations be for Chytil/Laf/Miller's extension. I mean...Laf probably wants a 1 year RFA extension. He's probably not looking for "Security", but rather the mega contract when he reaches his potential.
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It's a tough spot for sure and all speculation really. I wouldn't be too surprised if it were a tad more than that. What would your expecations be for Chytil/Laf/Miller's extension. I mean...Laf probably wants a 1 year RFA extension. He's probably not looking for "Security", but rather the mega contract when he reaches his potential.


Miller around 3-4 M for 3-4 years. Chytil will be difficult to get less than 4 M. Lafrenière about the same as Kakko, maybe 2 years 2.7 M is good enough? So that is 3 + 4 + 2 counting very low and you need to fill out the roster, with back up goalie, top 6 d man, and a couple of wingers. Trust me I tried to do a 2023-24 with NYR keeping those players and it just isn't working.
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22 déc. 2022 à 9 h 52
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Quoting: exo2769
Why do you think Kravstov = Tippett? 16 points in 28 games vs a healthy scratch... And Giroux gave PHI 1 team to trade with. If Kaner forces to the NYR...ok then closer to Giroux for sure.


Tippet the year he was traded was on pace for 28 points for that season. Technically, Kravstov is on pace for 20 points (if he played every game). PHI also gave a 4th or 5th Rd pick back and their first was top 10 protected. If the 3rd has to become a 2nd, I'm sure they still do it but you arent going to pry away a better prospect. Like I said, they just won't do it then.
22 déc. 2022 à 10 h 38
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Quoting: Ab27
I really do believe that if the Rangers do this, it will be just like Giroux trade last year. Kravtsov, 1st, and maybe conditional 3rd. If it is anything more than that, I doubt they do it.


Been saying this analogy for awhile too, albeit I wouldn’t equate Kravtsov to Tippett. Maybe chip in another prospect
22 déc. 2022 à 10 h 54
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Been saying this analogy for awhile too, albeit I wouldn’t equate Kravtsov to Tippett. Maybe chip in another prospect


Yeah I agree, so maybe another "B" prospect or 2nd instead of 3rd.
22 déc. 2022 à 13 h 22
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Miller around 3-4 M for 3-4 years. Chytil will be difficult to get less than 4 M. Lafrenière about the same as Kakko, maybe 2 years 2.7 M is good enough? So that is 3 + 4 + 2 counting very low and you need to fill out the roster, with back up goalie, top 6 d man, and a couple of wingers. Trust me I tried to do a 2023-24 with NYR keeping those players and it just isn't working.


Bingo. Simply make 24 team. 0/-2m is our cap next year as is. Obviously no Kane, Kuzmenko, Horvat... think under 2m players, somehow. The proof is in the pudding
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Also Laf 2x2.7m (or 3x3.1m, 4x3.7m). Chytil 3x4m (6x5.4m). KAM 4x4.3m. Although it all depends on how they finish this season. Zub squeezed 4x4.6m out of desperate OTT, I'm hoping for a long deal, yet cap needs to be as low as possible cause of 24 cap!
Now if we want to bring cap in, only options going out are (no NTCs); Laf 3m, Chytil 4m or Lindgren 3m. Not Kakko because he's only 2m or KAM cause he's gold
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22 déc. 2022 à 14 h 44
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If they’re stupid they make a Kane trade. You don’t trade cost controlled Kakko for a rental. You’d have to be an idiot to resign Kane with the cap constraints imo. People who want this are oblivious to the cap or seem to get their rocks off with an awful cap situation and older players on expensive fricken contracts. This would be so stupid. Especially given Kakko improving with the rest of the kids. Kane needs to just get hurt and miss the rest of the season so we can stop hearing these awful proposals from everyone (nhl insiders and people on here). And we wonder why we can never win the cup. Stop trading young talent to only watch them flourish elsewhere. This is unbelievable.
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22 déc. 2022 à 15 h 4
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If they’re stupid they make a Kane trade. You don’t trade cost controlled Kakko for a rental. You’d have to be an idiot to resign Kane with the cap constraints imo. People who want this are oblivious to the cap or seem to get their rocks off with an awful cap situation and older players on expensive fricken contracts. This would be so stupid. Especially given Kakko improving with the rest of the kids. Kane needs to just get hurt and miss the rest of the season so we can stop hearing these awful proposals from everyone (nhl insiders and people on here). And we wonder why we can never win the cup. Stop trading young talent to only watch them flourish elsewhere. This is unbelievable.


Sort of my point with this whole post. It Drury does this I will question his mental ability. But people don't get it.
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22 déc. 2022 à 15 h 45
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Sort of my point with this whole post. It Drury does this I will question his mental ability. But people don't get it.


Thank you for posting. More people need to realize this and the negative ramifications of such a deal given the precarious cap situation the Rangers are in.
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23 déc. 2022 à 9 h 45
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If they’re stupid they make a Kane trade. You don’t trade cost controlled Kakko for a rental. You’d have to be an idiot to resign Kane with the cap constraints imo. People who want this are oblivious to the cap or seem to get their rocks off with an awful cap situation and older players on expensive fricken contracts. This would be so stupid. Especially given Kakko improving with the rest of the kids. Kane needs to just get hurt and miss the rest of the season so we can stop hearing these awful proposals from everyone (nhl insiders and people on here). And we wonder why we can never win the cup. Stop trading young talent to only watch them flourish elsewhere. This is unbelievable.


As a Rangers fan, I could not agree more (other than Kane getting hurt lol). I don't have a problem if they want to trade for top 6 winger using 1 of their 1st rd picks/other picks and a Kravstov. Other than that, I don't think they do anything crazy (at least I hope not).
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