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Créé par: BeautifulIdiot
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 18 déc. 2022
Publié: 19 déc. 2022
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Description
Why be good when we can be bad.
this team has proven that it cant win when it comes to playing against good teams when they are healthy, they have not won in regulation in the last year, this team needs to tare it down and start again, look to the future, give petey the C and all the money in the world, lets build this team around him, move out the core pieces and look to the future.

Boeser trade,
3rd is because of how far in the future the pick is, it can be dropped if NYI fans think that the deal isn't fair.

Garland trade,
Needs a new start, I see garland as worth a high 2nd and the bad contract of Foegle upgrades that to a late 1st, I am guessing it will be close to 28.

Kuzmenko trade,
He is on a heater, people say that this is a one off but he did this in the K, now that he has come to North America he started slowly but has come on hot. The reason why his shooting percentage is so sustatinable is because of how he plays, he is always at the front of the net, so he is a super good finisher who will put rebounds, tip ins and tap ins into the back of the net. I would be open to dropping the 3rd.

Hughes trade
I don't think he will be moved, but Nemec will be required +++ if not it will be Luke Hughes coming. I threw in Shakir for value but I think that it could be another piece such as another first. People will say that Hughes isn't worth it but he is a bone fide #1 defence man, he would be the best blueliner on the Devs and if he isn't now he will be in 2 years. Nemec's ceiling is Hughes, I still think that Hughes can still grow more.

Schenn trade,
Does not have to be to DAL, just has to be a 2nd or roughly equal value.

Demko trade,
It's really Grans, Kupari, 1st for Demko, then Pinelli to take on Petersen, this is one trade that I think picks could be added and canucks could get more, I dont think that there is anything to worry about with Demko's play or injury, he was overplayed and had a tough time coming back from injury, he'll be back and he'll be fine

Burroughs trade,
Great guy, lets get something for him

Horvat trade,
Horvat is the #1 guy at the TDL this year, the ask will be a top prospect, roster player and a 1st, as the player is just for the cap a second is also being thrown in.

Our Future

Player - Ceiling, position

Silovs, Arturs - Starter G
Rathbone, Jack - #3 LD
Johansson, Filip - #4 RD
Grans, Helge - #3 RD
Nemec, Simon - #1 RD
Mukhamadullin, Shakir - #3 Rover LHRD
Kupari, Rasmus - #3C, #2LW,RW
Pinelli, Francesco - #2C
Karlsson, Linus - #3C, #2RW
Klimovich, Danila - #2 RW
McDonough, Aidan - #3C
Lekkerimäki, Jonathan - #1RW #2C
Pettersson, Elias - #2 LD
Truscott, Jacob - #2 LD
Knies, Matthew - #2 C
Podkolzin, Vasily - #1LW
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A pick, a team, he is a solid bottom pair guy who can be your #3-4 for a few games and wont hurt you. Honestly IDK why he isnt in the lineup more
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19 déc. 2022 à 6 h 24
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19 déc. 2022 à 7 h 22
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Quinn Hughes l would not be the best blue liner on the Devils lol
He’s very very good, but the Devils blue line honestly doesn’t have a huge need for him with Nemec, Hughes, Casey, Mook in the pipeline.
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I think NYR take that. That works for them two ways. Fill top 6 role and could possibly move a contract out.

He would be a rental or present with more options in the off-season.
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I'm not so sure about that. Cost wise, if the price to add a potential scoring winger for Barzal (and dump Bailey on top of it) is a 1st rounder three years from now, I think Lou would definitely consider it. Lou is 80 years old; is her really likely to give a crap about 2025 draft picks?

Now if your issue is that Boeser may not be the best fit for the Isles regardless of price, that's a separate issue (and one that I may agree with you on).
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I'm not so sure about that. Cost wise, if the price to add a potential scoring winger for Barzal (and dump Bailey on top of it) is a 1st rounder three years from now, I think Lou would definitely consider it. Lou is 80 years old; is her really likely to give a crap about 2025 draft picks?

Now if your issue is that Boeser may not be the best fit for the Isles regardless of price, that's a separate issue (and one that I may agree with you on).


Boeser is a 4th liner who isn’t good defensively or offensively. Boeser and potential scoring winger shouldn’t be in the same sentence

1st rd picks in 2025 are more valuable than 2024 because who knows where the isles will be (especially if they have Boeser in the top 9). It could easily be a top 3 pick.
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All these Quinn-to-NJ posts from Canucks fans now…sheesh.
19 déc. 2022 à 11 h 52
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All these Quinn-to-NJ posts from Canucks fans now…sheesh.


Yes you are right, It is more showing that it would take a massive overpayment to get him. He is a top 7 best player under 24 and is 7th in defenceman scoring and has 2-7 less games than all who are above him. It would have to take an absurd price for the canucks to move him, but I think that this is fair given that the risk that the canucks are taking is being that Hughes has already proved himself and that is a far greater risk than Nemec who could one day be him. It is a trade current for potential, not current for will be, the price from the canucks end has to be high
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Boeser is a 4th liner who isn’t good defensively or offensively. Boeser and potential scoring winger shouldn’t be in the same sentence

1st rd picks in 2025 are more valuable than 2024 because who knows where the isles will be (especially if they have Boeser in the top 9). It could easily be a top 3 pick.


Dude, you obviously don't watch the Canucks or know anything about Boeser, he lost his dad this summer and it really took a toll on him, he said earlier this year that it has effected him. When he is on his game he is usually in a match up role, he has had a slow start to the season that does not mean that he is all of a sudden worthless. The pick could also be the last pick of the round, so it is a gamble on both ends I guess. But we are helping NYI to be more efficent with their cap. This exercise was not to make the canucks good now, it is to make them good in 4 years
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I think NYR take that. That works for them two ways. Fill top 6 role and could possibly move a contract out.

He would be a rental or present with more options in the off-season.


And honesly we could take more cap on from you guys, we aint taking trouba but we could take back blais
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Boeser is a 4th liner who isn’t good defensively or offensively. Boeser and potential scoring winger shouldn’t be in the same sentence

1st rd picks in 2025 are more valuable than 2024 because who knows where the isles will be (especially if they have Boeser in the top 9). It could easily be a top 3 pick.


Like I said, does 80 year old Lou Lamoriello really care about draft picks three years from now?
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Quinn Hughes l would not be the best blue liner on the Devils lol
He’s very very good, but the Devils blue line honestly doesn’t have a huge need for him with Nemec, Hughes, Casey, Mook in the pipeline.


Hamilton might be better at the moment, but I think that if you give it a year or 2 with Quinn on the upswing and hamilton on the downswing if they are even right now hughes will be the best defenceman next year at the latest
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And honesly we could take more cap on from you guys, we aint taking trouba but we could take back blais


Kuzmenko doesn't burden the NYR cap wise, so I don't mean like that. I was just saying with another top 6 forward on the team it gives NYR a little more flexibility on which one to hang on to and which one you don't.
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Like I said, does 80 year old Lou Lamoriello really care about draft picks three years from now?


I don't think he'd pick up boeser on waivers, so no I do not think he would give up a 1st for a guy who doesn't play the way he wants.
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I don't think he'd pick up boeser on waivers, so no I do not think he would give up a 1st for a guy who doesn't play the way he wants.


Boeser would be claimed if he went on waivers, he would not make it onto waivers, he is still a net positive, Bailey on the other hand, moving out his deal to make space for a more efficent deal is what I could see him doing
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Like I said, does 80 year old Lou Lamoriello really care about draft picks three years from now?


he's not a former member of the 2011-12 New Jersey Devils, I can't really see Lou giving up much of anything for him honestly
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Dude, you obviously don't watch the Canucks or know anything about Boeser, he lost his dad this summer and it really took a toll on him, he said earlier this year that it has effected him. When he is on his game he is usually in a match up role, he has had a slow start to the season that does not mean that he is all of a sudden worthless. The pick could also be the last pick of the round, so it is a gamble on both ends I guess. But we are helping NYI to be more efficent with their cap. This exercise was not to make the canucks good now, it is to make them good in 4 years


I understand it took a toll on him, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he's a bad hockey player right now. Bad hockey players do not get a return of a 1st rd pick, Im not sure how this helps NYI be more efficient with the cap, they are taking on 1.65 mill in salary for an extra year for a player who is not good at all.
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Dude, you obviously don't watch the Canucks or know anything about Boeser, he lost his dad this summer and it really took a toll on him, he said earlier this year that it has effected him. When he is on his game he is usually in a match up role, he has had a slow start to the season that does not mean that he is all of a sudden worthless. The pick could also be the last pick of the round, so it is a gamble on both ends I guess. But we are helping NYI to be more efficent with their cap. This exercise was not to make the canucks good now, it is to make them good in 4 years


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Boeser would be claimed if he went on waivers, he would not make it onto waivers, he is still a net positive, Bailey on the other hand, moving out his deal to make space for a more efficent deal is what I could see him doing


I said the isles wouldn't claim him, he's not a net positive. There is no logical argument where you can make a case that Boesers contract is more efficient than Bailey.
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Yes he has had a bad start this year, but look at his cards from previous years, he is just off to a tough start, he lost his dad this past year
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I said the isles wouldn't claim him, he's not a net positive. There is no logical argument where you can make a case that Boesers contract is more efficient than Bailey.


boeser when he returns mentally is a two way guy, he is a net positive because of his track record, and he is one of the only guys in the league who can beat a goalie when they're set
19 déc. 2022 à 12 h 19
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Yes you are right, It is more showing that it would take a massive overpayment to get him. He is a top 7 best player under 24 and is 7th in defenceman scoring and has 2-7 less games than all who are above him. It would have to take an absurd price for the canucks to move him, but I think that this is fair given that the risk that the canucks are taking is being that Hughes has already proved himself and that is a far greater risk than Nemec who could one day be him. It is a trade current for potential, not current for will be, the price from the canucks end has to be high


But you came to us. Devils are not asking about Hughes. Why would NJ even consider “massive overpayment” price on someone they don’t need, have not targeted?

Its like if NJ called Vancouver out-of-the-blue and said, “we’d like Pettersson++ for Jesper Bratt because Bratt is a top-10 winger and it will take only a massive overpayment to acquire him”.
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Yes he has had a bad start this year, but look at his cards from previous years, he is just off to a tough start, he lost his dad this past year



over a 3 year sample
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19 déc. 2022 à 12 h 45
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Hamilton might be better at the moment, but I think that if you give it a year or 2 with Quinn on the upswing and hamilton on the downswing if they are even right now hughes will be the best defenceman next year at the latest


Jonas Siegenthaler is the best on the team, followed by Dougie. Quinn is at least 3.
He puts up point, but his underlyings are pretty poor everywhere except the power play. Plus we can have a cheaper and hopefully more well rounded version of him in Luke anyway
 
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