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Controversial Top-10 players of all time

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Date de création initiale: 17 déc. 2022
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Can’t add mcdavid to the list until he’s 30 at least or he wins the trophy that matters aka the cup lol
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17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 6
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Let me know your thoughts on the placement…
I struggled with 5-10 so all those are almost interchangeable in my opinion as each had a great career…
I went with brodeur sompky because he’s fat and away the greatest goalie of all time and no one’s even close… he was so much better at stopping the puck than everyone else and literally was the only reason his team was competitive most nights for a majority of his career…
17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 7
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If Brodeur is on the list Roy is above him.
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17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 10
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If Brodeur is on the list Roy is above him.


And hasek is above both
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17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 11
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
Let me know your thoughts on the placement…
I struggled with 5-10 so all those are almost interchangeable in my opinion as each had a great career…
I went with brodeur sompky because he’s fat and away the greatest goalie of all time and no one’s even close… he was so much better at stopping the puck than everyone else and literally was the only reason his team was competitive most nights for a majority of his career…


Brodeur played in the best defensive system in 50 years and still didn't come close to hasek
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17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 14
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Quoting: Campabee
If Brodeur is on the list Roy is above him.


Same with Hasek
17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 18
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
And hasek is above both


Roy has 4 cups, 2 Conn Smythe and 3 Vezna's
Brodeur has 3 cups, 0 Conn Smythe and 4 Vezna's
Hasek has 2 cups, 0 Conn Smythe and 6 Vezna's

The order here above is the order they should be ranked.
17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 18
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17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 19
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How can Gordie Howe not be on this list? Or Nicklas Lidstrom. Or Mike Bossy.
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17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 22
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actual top 10:

1. justin holl
2. blake comeau
3. connor mcmichael
4. mike zigomanis
5. tyler myers
6. jeremy bracco
7. justin holl
8. shoeless joe jackson
9. josh anderson
10. wayne gretzky
17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 24
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not surprised to see pens players so high
17 déc. 2022 à 20 h 33
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
Let me know your thoughts on the placement…
I struggled with 5-10 so all those are almost interchangeable in my opinion as each had a great career…
I went with brodeur sompky because he’s fat and away the greatest goalie of all time and no one’s even close… he was so much better at stopping the puck than everyone else and literally was the only reason his team was competitive most nights for a majority of his career…


LMAO, 3 times in his career Roy changed the fortunes of his team single handedly. In 86 he took the Habs to the cup finals as a rookie. In 93 he took won an incredible 10 games in overtime in that one run alone. In 96 he took the Avs to the cup finals simply because he had something to prove.

Only 6 goalies have ever won the cup in their rookie season Roy, Dryden, Ward, Neimi, Murray and Binnington
17 déc. 2022 à 21 h 19
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I love Super Mario but any list that doesn’t have Gretzky as 1 is just wrong. Let alone having him at 3
17 déc. 2022 à 21 h 21
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Quoting: Campabee
Roy has 4 cups, 2 Conn Smythe and 3 Vezna's
Brodeur has 3 cups, 0 Conn Smythe and 4 Vezna's
Hasek has 2 cups, 0 Conn Smythe and 6 Vezna's

The order here above is the order they should be ranked.


Hasek has 2 Hart's too.

Embarrassing argument.
17 déc. 2022 à 21 h 28
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Quoting: mondo
actual top 10:

1. justin holl
2. blake comeau
3. connor mcmichael
4. mike zigomanis
5. tyler myers
6. jeremy bracco
7. justin holl
8. shoeless joe jackson
9. josh anderson
10. wayne gretzky


WHERE’S KEVIN BIEKSA?!?!?
17 déc. 2022 à 21 h 40
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hasek is the best goalie of all time and its not particularly close. Lemieux and Orr above gretzky is indefensible. Fine with crosby over ovi even if its not what i would do but they should be way closer together. lidstrom > borque, messier, yzerman my big controversial take
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17 déc. 2022 à 21 h 42
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Hasek has 2 Hart's too.

Embarrassing argument.


As does Roy

Nothing to be embarrassed about Hasek was a great goalie and if we were talking about a top 10 greatest goalies list he would be top 3 with Brodeur and Roy IMO (even if I don't like either Brodeur or Hasek lol)
17 déc. 2022 à 22 h 33
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Quoting: OkMan
WHERE’S KEVIN BIEKSA?!?!?


top 15-20, don't think he's top 10 tbqh
17 déc. 2022 à 22 h 45
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actual serious comment: I don't think Lemieux being first is too controversial - he was a phenomenal player racked by injuries and it's definetely one of the great "what-ifs" of hockey if he was fully healthy through is career; if he would be able to challenge Gretzky for someone of his records.

Personally I'd put Gretzky second over Orr but I could see a rational argument being made otherwise.

As for the goalie argument, my ranking would be Hasek > Roy > Brodeur. Hasek played a ton of his career behind less than stellar teams.
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18 déc. 2022 à 16 h 22
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Quoting: Campabee
If Brodeur is on the list Roy is above him.

Quoting: Campabee
As does Roy

Nothing to be embarrassed about Hasek was a great goalie and if we were talking about a top 10 greatest goalies list he would be top 3 with Brodeur and Roy IMO (even if I don't like either Brodeur or Hasek lol)
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Same with Hasek


Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Brodeur played in the best defensive system in 50 years and still didn't come close to hasek




i love patrick roy as much as anybody fr just didn't know who to take out of my top-10... i guess i could drop messier...
hasek was amazing don't get me wrong he's def top-25 but i just didn't think we could have like 3 goalies in the top-10 lol

i should have expanded the list to top-25 to get all the elite players on it...lol
18 déc. 2022 à 16 h 24
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Quoting: AndrewGoalie33
I love Super Mario but any list that doesn’t have Gretzky as 1 is just wrong. Let alone having him at 3


Gretzky played with superstars and had big tough guys that defended him... mario and orr didn't and look at all the injuries they played through... WG also played in the era with like 2 good goalies lol... not saying gretzky is overrated but ovechkin is going to break his record so wayne gretzky in my opinion is the 3rd best goal scorer of all time.... if lemiuex had stayed healthy, not gotten cancer, and not retired multiple times he would have had 1000 goals.
18 déc. 2022 à 16 h 25
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not surprised to see pens players so high


the pens have been blessed with elite talent...
looking at top-100 lists it's just crazy...
as far as all-time teams go, the pens have to be up there...
18 déc. 2022 à 16 h 27
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How can Gordie Howe not be on this list? Or Nicklas Lidstrom. Or Mike Bossy.


gordie howe played for 25 years in the no goalie/no defense era... his numbers are inflated bc of that... gordie howe is overhyped by the older generations... he's maybe top-25...
nik lidstrom and mike bossy were in my list that i narrowed down to 10... i had bossy at #11... so i thought of them but i didn't know who to take off for them... maybe messier?
18 déc. 2022 à 16 h 43
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gordie howe played for 25 years in the no goalie/no defense era... his numbers are inflated bc of that... gordie howe is overhyped by the older generations... he's maybe top-25...
nik lidstrom and mike bossy were in my list that i narrowed down to 10... i had bossy at #11... so i thought of them but i didn't know who to take off for them... maybe messier?


Sorry, totally disagree about Howe. He was the greatest scorer in history until Gretzky came along, 4x cup winner, 21x all-star, 6x ross winner and 6x hart winner. IMO, only Gretsky, and maybe Mario pass him on the top 10. And Lidstrom has to be top 10. 7x Norris winner, 2 more than Ray. Bossy was IMO the best goal scorer of all time, with all due respect to Ovi. The guy AVERAGED 57 goals a year. If his health allowed him to play as many games as Ovi, he would be far out in front. And I am a Ranger fan that intensely dislikes the Isles.
18 déc. 2022 à 16 h 46
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Sorry, totally disagree about Howe. He was the greatest scorer in history until Gretzky came along, 4x cup winner, 21x all-star, 6x ross winner and 6x hart winner. IMO, only Gretsky, and maybe Mario pass him on the top 10. And Lidstrom has to be top 10. 7x Norris winner, 2 more than Ray. Bossy was IMO the best goal scorer of all time, with all due respect to Ovi. The guy AVERAGED 57 goals a year. If his health allowed him to play as many games as Ovi, he would be far out in front. And I am a Ranger fan that intensely dislikes the Isles.


ok i completely understand your position and your argument is fair... im not going to bash your opinion....but just out of curiosity how would you rank the top scorers?
you said bossy at #1....how does it go down from there?
18 déc. 2022 à 16 h 52
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ok i completely understand your position and your argument is fair... im not going to bash your opinion....but just out of curiosity how would you rank the top scorers?
you said bossy at #1....how does it go down from there?


Are you taking just pure goal scorers? If so, then Bossy, Mario, Ovi, Gretsky, Bure, and the Hulls. McDavid, Matthews, etc are too early in their careers to be ranked, but if they stay healthy, they will be there.
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