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Bo To Carolina

Créé par: Whalers7997
Équipe: 2022-23 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 15 déc. 2022
Publié: 15 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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This happens if Bo agrees to an extension in Carolina. Looking at the future cap space, they can very much afford him.
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  1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
  2. Pesce, Brett
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
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15 déc. 2022 à 7 h 25
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At that cost? Canes rejection will have so many words on here that will get me infractions. Pesce is utterly off the table. Straight up.

Depending on how much of an anchor the extension is, I imagine the Canes would be unwilling to move KK too. He's a long-term perfect fit for 3C. He's 22 and could become exacty what Bo Horvat is with more time focused on his development. There's utterly no need for this at all.

A Bo trade would need to be futures, not stripping core parts of a contending team
15 déc. 2022 à 7 h 27
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2023 1st, Suzuki, and Honka for Horvat half retained with a guaranteed extension, take it or leave it. What you have is just a straight up delusion.
15 déc. 2022 à 7 h 56
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At that cost? Canes rejection will have so many words on here that will get me infractions. Pesce is utterly off the table. Straight up.

Depending on how much of an anchor the extension is, I imagine the Canes would be unwilling to move KK too. He's a long-term perfect fit for 3C. He's 22 and could become exacty what Bo Horvat is with more time focused on his development. There's utterly no need for this at all.

A Bo trade would need to be futures, not stripping core parts of a contending team


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2023 1st, Suzuki, and Honka for Horvat half retained with a guaranteed extension, take it or leave it. What you have is just a straight up delusion.


Kotkaniemi would have to go the other way IMO but definitely not Pesce
15 déc. 2022 à 8 h 3
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Kotkaniemi would have to go the other way IMO but definitely not Pesce


Why? Kotkaniemi has been the perfect player for Svechnikov and Necas. When the team was mostly healthy to start the season, that line was one of the best in the league. Since the Teuvo injury and subsequent Aho injury, he's had a rotating cast beside him. He's still be good with chance creation, he's chipped in, and he's still been absolutely dominant defensively. Why would the Canes move their long term Jordan Staal replacement?
15 déc. 2022 à 8 h 17
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Quoting: Caniac2000
At that cost? Canes rejection will have so many words on here that will get me infractions. Pesce is utterly off the table. Straight up.

Depending on how much of an anchor the extension is, I imagine the Canes would be unwilling to move KK too. He's a long-term perfect fit for 3C. He's 22 and could become exacty what Bo Horvat is with more time focused on his development. There's utterly no need for this at all.

A Bo trade would need to be futures, not stripping core parts of a contending team


According to the Athletic, Vancouver would want a prospect or forward that is already developed, a RD, and a pick. Since Staal is coming off the books, this would be perfect.
15 déc. 2022 à 8 h 33
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According to the Athletic, Vancouver would want a prospect or forward that is already developed, a RD, and a pick. Since Staal is coming off the books, this would be perfect.


Then Carolina is not going to be in that debate. According to the Athletic, Pesce has more value. https://theathletic.com/3989423/2022/12/12/nhl-player-cards-carolina-hurricanes-2/

This is an AWFUL deal. If Vancouver is demanding the sun and the moon, let him walk away in free agency.
15 déc. 2022 à 9 h 40
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Why? Kotkaniemi has been the perfect player for Svechnikov and Necas. When the team was mostly healthy to start the season, that line was one of the best in the league. Since the Teuvo injury and subsequent Aho injury, he's had a rotating cast beside him. He's still be good with chance creation, he's chipped in, and he's still been absolutely dominant defensively. Why would the Canes move their long term Jordan Staal replacement?


Because you get a player 5 times better than Jesperi ...
15 déc. 2022 à 9 h 43
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Because you get a player 5 times better than Jesperi ...


OR, hear me out, they could wait til July 1st, give Bo 7 years instead of 8, and keep these assets. They have nearly $28M in cap space this summer, why are they paying through the nose (a 22 year old 3C, a top 4 D, AND a 1st?) for 20 games of a guy?
15 déc. 2022 à 10 h 2
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OR, hear me out, they could wait til July 1st, give Bo 7 years instead of 8, and keep these assets. They have nearly $28M in cap space this summer, why are they paying through the nose (a 22 year old 3C, a top 4 D, AND a 1st?) for 20 games of a guy?


You ain't following **** ... they get a huge upgrade for the 2023 playoff run WITH Bo Horvat and he agrees to an extension prior to the trade, so he is not a rental
After I said in a deal in Bo Horvat, Kotkaniemi is probably going the other way IN MY OPINION. But no way Pesce is included, I specified that

Now, if you don't like Kotkaniemi going the other way fine, maybe you would rather just sign him as a FA in summer 2023 and have Kotkaniemi centering the 3rd line
But getting Horvat for the 2023 playoff is huge
15 déc. 2022 à 10 h 8
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Good chance Horvat puts up more points this season than KK puts up in the next 3 seasons
15 déc. 2022 à 10 h 10
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At that cost? Canes rejection will have so many words on here that will get me infractions. Pesce is utterly off the table. Straight up.

Depending on how much of an anchor the extension is, I imagine the Canes would be unwilling to move KK too. He's a long-term perfect fit for 3C. He's 22 and could become exacty what Bo Horvat is with more time focused on his development. There's utterly no need for this at all.

A Bo trade would need to be futures, not stripping core parts of a contending team


KK is just not that good buddy. Good bottom 6 shutdown center at most. He had 0 offensive game
15 déc. 2022 à 10 h 10
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2023 1st, Suzuki, and Honka for Horvat half retained with a guaranteed extension, take it or leave it. What you have is just a straight up delusion.

You’re right. Why would the canucks want an anchor contract like KK?
15 déc. 2022 à 10 h 14
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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy
You ain't following **** ... they get a huge upgrade for the 2023 playoff run WITH Bo Horvat and he agrees to an extension prior to the trade, so he is not a rental
After I said in a deal in Bo Horvat, Kotkaniemi is probably going the other way IN MY OPINION. But no way Pesce is included, I specified that

Now, if you don't like Kotkaniemi going the other way fine, maybe you would rather just sign him as a FA in summer 2023 and have Kotkaniemi centering the 3rd line
But getting Horvat for the 2023 playoff is huge


Horvat's shooting 21.5% - any team valuing him as a 40 goal scorer in a trade is going to be sorely disappointed, and I think giving up a 22 year old C with good value & term PLUS a 1st is overpaying, even with an extension in place. KK is one of the better shutdown Cs so far this year, so while he might be scoring a ton, he's got a ton of value for a team that's top-5 in goals against this season - I just don't think giving up on him for an older player who's popping off in his contract year is a smart long-term move.
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15 déc. 2022 à 12 h 12
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Because you get a player 5 times better than Jesperi ...


MAJOR disagree. Horvat is shooting more than 20%. Kotkaniemi is better defensively, and has far better underlyings. Stop letting your dislike for KK cloud your judgment.
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15 déc. 2022 à 13 h 15
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MAJOR disagree. Horvat is shooting more than 20%. Kotkaniemi is better defensively, and has far better underlyings. Stop letting your dislike for KK cloud your judgment.


I like Kotkaniemi, never wanted him to leave, but Horvat is a WAY better player, you can't even compare them
I wanted Kotkaniemi to be MTL 2C behind Suzuki while Evans and Poehling fill the 3C & 4C spot, so I have no hate towards KK
15 déc. 2022 à 13 h 54
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I like Kotkaniemi, never wanted him to leave, but Horvat is a WAY better player, you can't even compare them
I wanted Kotkaniemi to be MTL 2C behind Suzuki while Evans and Poehling fill the 3C & 4C spot, so I have no hate towards KK


Yet you say Horvat is 5 times the player which is utter bullsh*t. Horvat analytically is the weaker player. He's shooting at 21.8% of something. If Kotkaniemi finds the offensive output he flashed in the year he was drafted in Finland, he is literally Horvat. Not to mention, KK is signed FAR cheaper and is half a decade younger. There's NO reason to include KK in this deal. At all. End of conversation.
15 déc. 2022 à 14 h 39
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Yet you say Horvat is 5 times the player which is utter bullsh*t. Horvat analytically is the weaker player. He's shooting at 21.8% of something. If Kotkaniemi finds the offensive output he flashed in the year he was drafted in Finland, he is literally Horvat. Not to mention, KK is signed FAR cheaper and is half a decade younger. There's NO reason to include KK in this deal. At all. End of conversation.


5 times in an exaggeration but Horvat is WAYYYYYYY better than Kotkaniemi. You can try to convince yourself that KK might become close to Horvat but he won’t
16 déc. 2022 à 6 h 27
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5 times in an exaggeration but Horvat is WAYYYYYYY better than Kotkaniemi. You can try to convince yourself that KK might become close to Horvat but he won’t


You are entitled to your wrong opinion. You can convince yourself a 22-year-old is what he is and will not get any better, but that's also very not true. Kotkaniemi has become one of the most dominant defensive players in the league. He has been his entire NHL career. You're arguing Horvat is way better because...? What he shooting 20%? If Kotkaniemi shot 20%, he'd win the f**king Rocket. C'mon man you're better than this.
16 déc. 2022 à 7 h 26
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You are entitled to your wrong opinion. You can convince yourself a 22-year-old is what he is and will not get any better, but that's also very not true. Kotkaniemi has become one of the most dominant defensive players in the league. He has been his entire NHL career. You're arguing Horvat is way better because...? What he shooting 20%? If Kotkaniemi shot 20%, he'd win the f**king Rocket. C'mon man you're better than this.


Never said he won't get better, he will. But in my wrong opinion, he will never be at Horvat level of play in his career
KK isnt one of the best defensive player around the league get a grip
16 déc. 2022 à 8 h 13
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Never said he won't get better, he will. But in my wrong opinion, he will never be at Horvat level of play in his career
KK isnt one of the best defensive player around the league get a grip


Brother, go and pull up NST. He's dominant defensively. He's straight up putting up all around better numbers than Horvat in terms of underlyings. You don;t think he gets to that level of player? Bold take. Horvat is a 2C. He's an eh 2C currently shooting 20%. Kotkaniemi will do that if he finds even a little more offense. Get a grip. People overrate Horvat because of the year he is having. He's generally an eh player
16 déc. 2022 à 8 h 20
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Brother, go and pull up NST. He's dominant defensively. He's straight up putting up all around better numbers than Horvat in terms of underlyings. You don;t think he gets to that level of player? Bold take. Horvat is a 2C. He's an eh 2C currently shooting 20%. Kotkaniemi will do that if he finds even a little more offense. Get a grip. People overrate Horvat because of the year he is having. He's generally an eh player


He is a really good 2C who can win faceoffs and score goals
Last 7 years he would have score 20+ goals in each seasons if it wasnt of injuries in the 20-21 season where he scored 19 goals in 56 games
16 déc. 2022 à 8 h 33
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I mean the conviction here is something.

Horvat isn’t a Carolina type move. He isn’t good defensively, Canes won’t carry him until 35 at 8 million per year, and the acquisition cost will be too much.

Pesce certainly won’t be included in any deal until the off-season, if at all.

KK isn’t likely included in any deal either. His defense is very good, good at FOs, and, oddly enough, one of the only guys standing up for his teammates. He plays center like RBA wants. We just need a little less post hitting and a little more of his wingers finishing his really nice passes and he would have double the points right now.
16 déc. 2022 à 9 h 9
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He is a really good 2C who can win faceoffs and score goals
Last 7 years he would have score 20+ goals in each seasons if it wasnt of injuries in the 20-21 season where he scored 19 goals in 56 games


Hey smart guy, the 2020-21 year was the shortened season. Everyone played 56 games.

He's bad defensively, he's not fleet of foot, he's not particularly smart with his positioning, he's shooting an unsustainable 20%. He's a 3C on any team that wants to win the cup. He'd be a 3C in Carolina. It's why Kotkaniemi is not only a much better fit for the team, but the more desirable asset in general.
16 déc. 2022 à 9 h 14
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Hey smart guy, the 2020-21 year was the shortened season. Everyone played 56 games.

He's bad defensively, he's not fleet of foot, he's not particularly smart with his positioning, he's shooting an unsustainable 20%. He's a 3C on any team that wants to win the cup. He'd be a 3C in Carolina. It's why Kotkaniemi is not only a much better fit for the team, but the more desirable asset in general.


My bad for the shortened season, but saying Horvat is a 3C ... you are straight up delusional
You might be even more homer than Windjammer
Have a nice day, done talking to homers
16 déc. 2022 à 10 h 39
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My bad for the shortened season, but saying Horvat is a 3C ... you are straight up delusional
You might be even more homer than Windjammer
Have a nice day, done talking to homers


Horvat is a 3C on a cup winner. Think of someone like Cirelli. Fantastic player. 3C. He's not good enough to be a top 6 C on a contending team like that.
 
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