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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #7: Descending Into Madness

13 déc. 2022 à 8 h 52
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Lucky number 7. Continue.
13 déc. 2022 à 8 h 54
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"The Vancouver Canucks made an offer to team captain and pending unrestricted free agent Bo Horvat roughly two weeks ago, people involved with the negotiations confirmed to The Athletic"

"We believe the club tendered their leading goal scorer a max-term offer that was well shy of $8 million"

"The organization feels that they’ve made Horvat their absolute best offer. The club’s focus, now, is on maximizing a prospective return on the trade market."

It's Bo Horvat AGM season fellas
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13 déc. 2022 à 9 h 44
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Currently minimum of 10 games. Buffalo is showing a lot of promise! Please Comrie come back and be what you where last year for us LMAO.

at 5v5 per 60 minutes. No shooting percentages above 15%, on ice isn't above 12.

Tage Thompson is
1st in Points
6th in Goals
13th in assists

Jeff Skinner is
3rd in points (somehow Morgan geekie seperates tage and skinner)
12th in goals
7th in assists

Alex Tuch is
12th in points
51st in goals
19th in assists

Dylan Cozens is
17th in points
40th in goals
51st in assists

Rasmus Dahlin among d men is
9th in points
5th in goals
44th in assists.
13 déc. 2022 à 9 h 54
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Actual topic i was thinking about...are players contracts considered "bad" if they are at the end of an 8 year contract and the cap hit doesn't match the player? Take Toews for example. 9th highest cap hit in the league, has 14 points in 25 games. Except his salary is only 6.9m which isn't great but makes this seem a lot more decent. teows isn't worth 6.9m now so the over all contract is still bad. Was looking for other good examples of this but all the "bad contract players" are having career years lmao.
13 déc. 2022 à 10 h 18
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I took at look at The Athletic player values to determine the most valuable (by their model) bluelines in NHL.

They are sorted below by "Total Value". Pretty strong correlation to Stanley Cup odds.

Rk. TM.....Cap Hit.....Value.......Surplus

1. BOS......$27.8m....$51.6m.....+$23.8m
2. TOR......$18.1m....$49.1m.....+$31.0m
3. COL......$29.5m....$44.9m....+$15.4m
4. VGK......$27.3m....$44.9m.....+$17.6m
5. CGY......$23.7m....$43.7m.....+$20.0m

6. CAR......$24.3m....$43.6m.....+$19.3m
7. NJD......$23.0m....$42.9m.....+$19.9m
8. FLA......$17.8m....$42.1m.....+$24.3m
9. TBL......$20.4m....$33.3m.....+$12.9m
10. WAS...$18.2m....$32.0m.....+$13.8m

11. PIT......$24.1m....$30.3m......+$6.2m
12. SEA.....$19.3m....$29.7m....+$10.4m
13. MIN....$24.1m....$28.4m......+$4.3m
14. EDM...$22.5m....$28.0m......+$5.5m
15. NYR....$23.1m....$27.5m......+$4.4m

16. LAK....$20.4m....$24.8m......+$4.4m
17. OTT....$16.6m....$24.1m......+$7.5m
18. WPG...$26.0m....$23.9m......-$2.1m
19. DAL....$22.3m....$23.3m.....+.$1.0m
20. NYI.....$20.8m....$21.0m......+$0.2m

21. NSH...$27.3m....$20.6m.......-$6.7m
22. SJS.....$26.2m....$19.6m.......-$6.6m
23. BUF...$15.0m....$18.9m.......+$3.9m
24. ARI....$13.9m....$15.0m.......+$1.1m
25. VAN...$26.8m....$15.0m.....-$11.8m

26. DET....$14.6m....$14.6m......+$0.0m
27. PHI....$23.4m....$11.6m.....-$11.8m
28. STL....$26.4m....$10.2m.....-$16.2m
29. CHI....$21.2m......$7.1m....-$14.1m
30. MTL...$14.4m......$7.1m......-$7.3m

31. CBJ....$22.1m......$6.3m....-$15.9m
32. ANA...$21.4m....$-7.7m....-$29.1m
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13 déc. 2022 à 10 h 23
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Here are the forward groups

Rk. TM.....Cap Hit.....Value.......Surplus

1. BOS.......$44.9m....$96.5m....+$51.6m
2. NJD........$42.4m....$90.2m....+$47.8m
3. FLA........$48.4m....$87.1m....+$38.7m
4. TOR.......$53.3m....$84.8m....+$31.5m
5. PIT.........$50.3m....$81.5m....+$31.2m

6. COL.......$44.1m....$81.1m....+$37.0m
7. CAR.......$43.3m....$74.6m....+$31.3m
8. TBL........$48.1m....$73.1m....+$25.0m
9. EDM......$49.9m....$73.0m....+$23.1m
10. DAL.....$51.0m....$72.5m....+$21.5m

11. VGK.....$47.8m....$68.6m....+$20.8m
12. SEA......$45.9m....$68.0m....+$22.1m
13. MIN.....$33.5m....$67.8m....+$34.3m
14. LAK......$44.7m....$61.2m....+$16.5m
15. OTT.....$42.9m....$61.2m....+$18.3m

16. WPG....$43.2m....$59.6m....+$16.4m
17. BUF.....$35.1m....$59.2m....+$24.1m
18. WAS....$55.6m....$58.6m.......+$3.0m
19. NYR.....$45.1m....$57.2m....+$12.1m
20. CGY.....$49.4m....$57.2m......+$7.8m

21. VAN.....$42.5m....$56.3m....+$13.8m
22. DET.....$43.4m....$51.6m.......+$8.2m
23. STL.....$43.4m....$49.4m........+$6.0m
24. SJS......$41.7m....$44.6m........+$2.9m
25. CBJ.....$47.8m....$44.1m.........-$3.7m

26. NYI.....$48.5m....$41.3m.........-$7.2m
27. NSH....$41.4m....$37.5m........-$3.9m
28. PHI.....$47.2m....$35.9m.......-$11.3m
29. MTL....$52.8m....$33.8m.......-$19.0m
30. ARI......$29.0m....$23.8m.........-$5.2m

31. CHI.....$40.5m....$20.4m........-$20.1m
32. ANA....$30.5m......$9.9m........-$20.6m
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13 déc. 2022 à 10 h 23
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
I took at look at The Athletic player values to determine the most valuable (by their model) bluelines in NHL.

They are sorted below by "Total Value". Pretty strong correlation to Stanley Cup odds.

Rk. TM.....Cap Hit.....Value.......Surplus

1. BOS......$27.8m....$51.6m.....+$23.8m
2. TOR......$18.1m....$49.1m.....+$31.0m
3. COL......$29.5m....$44.9m....+$15.4m
4. VGK......$27.3m....$44.9m.....+$17.6m
5. CGY......$23.7m....$43.7m.....+$20.0m

6. CAR......$24.3m....$43.6m.....+$19.3m
7. NJD......$23.0m....$42.9m.....+$19.9m
8. FLA......$17.8m....$42.1m.....+$24.3m
9. TBL......$20.4m....$33.3m.....+$12.9m
10. WAS...$18.2m....$32.0m.....+$13.8m

11. PIT......$24.1m....$30.3m......+$6.2m
12. SEA.....$19.3m....$29.7m....+$10.4m
13. MIN....$24.1m....$28.4m......+$4.3m
14. EDM...$22.5m....$28.0m......+$5.5m
15. NYR....$23.1m....$27.5m......+$4.4m

16. LAK....$20.4m....$24.8m......+$4.4m
17. OTT....$16.6m....$24.1m......+$7.5m
18. WPG...$26.0m....$23.9m......-$2.1m
19. DAL....$22.3m....$23.3m.....+.$1.0m
20. NYI.....$20.8m....$21.0m......+$0.2m

21. NSH...$27.3m....$20.6m.......-$6.7m
22. SJS.....$26.2m....$19.6m.......-$6.6m
23. BUF...$15.0m....$18.9m.......+$3.9m
24. ARI....$13.9m....$15.0m.......+$1.1m
25. VAN...$26.8m....$15.0m.....-$11.8m

26. DET....$14.6m....$14.6m......+$0.0m
27. PHI....$23.4m....$11.6m.....-$11.8m
28. STL....$26.4m....$10.2m.....-$16.2m
29. CHI....$21.2m......$7.1m....-$14.1m
30. MTL...$14.4m......$7.1m......-$7.3m

31. CBJ....$22.1m......$6.3m....-$15.9m
32. ANA...$21.4m....$-7.7m....-$29.1m


wow, Anaheim. Drysdale must have been needing back surgery seeing how much he probably held the Anaheim defensive corp up.
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13 déc. 2022 à 10 h 28
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And Goalies

Rk. TM.....Cap Hit.....Value.......Surplus

1. NYI.......$9.0m....$16.7m....+$7.7m
2. WPG.....$7.1m....$13.0m....+$5.9m
3. TOR......$8.1m....$10.8m....+$2.7m
4. NSH......$6.5m....$10.0m....+$3.5m
5. PHI.......$4.8m.......$9.8m....+$5.0m

6. TBL.....$10.4m.......$9.8m....-$0.6m
7. DAL......$5.0m.......$9.7m....+$4.7m
8. WAS.....$6.4m.......$8.6m....+$2.2m
9. NYR......$7.2m.......$7.8m....+$0.6m
10. PIT......$5.3m.......$7.4m....+$2.1m

11. BOS....$5.9m.......$7.2m....+$1.3m
12. MTL....$3.9m.......$6.8m....+$2.9m
13. OTT....$6.5m.......$6.7m....+$0.2m
14. VGK....$3.0m.......$5.6m....+$2.6m
15. ARI.....$3.4m.......$5.4m....+$2.0m

16. COL....$5.4m.......$5.3m....-$0.1m
17. CAR....$6.5m.......$4.9m....-$1.6m
18. CGY....$6.8m.......$4.8m....-$2.0m
19. DET....$7.8m.......$4.3m....-$3.5m
20. FLA...$10.9m.......$4.0m....-$6.9m

21. NJD.....$6.2m.......$4.0m....-$2.2m
22. EDM...$5.8m.......$3.1m....-$2.7m
23. ANA....$7.4m.......$2.5m....-$4.9m
24. BUF....$3.3m.......$2.3m....-$1.0m
25. MIN....$4.3m.......$1.8m....-$2.5m

26. SJS......$5.1m.......$0.7m....-$4.4m
27. CHI.....$4.6m.......$0.0m....-$4.6m
28. SEA.....$7.9m.....-$0.1m....-$8.0m
29. STL.....$7.3m.....-$0.7m....-$8.0m
30. VAN....$5.8m.....-$0.8m....-$6.6m

31. LAK..$10.8m.....-$2.7m....-$13.5m
32. CBJ.....$6.7m.....-$3.4m....-$10.1m
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13 déc. 2022 à 10 h 29
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Today I learned :

Matthews Philipps weights... 140 lbs (64kg).

The lightest of the NHL and probably the tiniest at 5'7 (170cm)
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13 déc. 2022 à 10 h 34
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Quoting: pinslack
Today I learned :

Matthews Philipps weights... 140 lbs (64kg).

The lightest of the NHL and probably the tiniest at 5'7 (170cm)


Somewhere, Nathan Gerbe smiles at this revelation.
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13 déc. 2022 à 11 h 37
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Actual topic i was thinking about...are players contracts considered "bad" if they are at the end of an 8 year contract and the cap hit doesn't match the player? Take Toews for example. 9th highest cap hit in the league, has 14 points in 25 games. Except his salary is only 6.9m which isn't great but makes this seem a lot more decent. teows isn't worth 6.9m now so the over all contract is still bad. Was looking for other good examples of this but all the "bad contract players" are having career years lmao.


Maybe I don’t fully understand the question, but it seems to me like Jeff Skinner may apply. There were a couple of years, especially in flat cap, when it was looking like one of the worst in NHL. Now it just appears slightly above market.
13 déc. 2022 à 11 h 40
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Quoting: pinslack
Today I learned :

Matthews Philipps weights... 140 lbs (64kg).

The lightest of the NHL and probably the tiniest at 5'7 (170cm)


The new short king?
13 déc. 2022 à 12 h 2
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pfffffffhahahaha

this league sucks
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13 déc. 2022 à 12 h 6
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Actual topic i was thinking about...are players contracts considered "bad" if they are at the end of an 8 year contract and the cap hit doesn't match the player? Take Toews for example. 9th highest cap hit in the league, has 14 points in 25 games. Except his salary is only 6.9m which isn't great but makes this seem a lot more decent. teows isn't worth 6.9m now so the over all contract is still bad. Was looking for other good examples of this but all the "bad contract players" are having career years lmao.


They are considered bad if their cap hit is more than they are worth since that's what the limit looks at. If Toews was being paid $1 but his cap hit was 10.5 Million than it's bad. A cheap owner would be all over that though.
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13 déc. 2022 à 12 h 8
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pfffffffhahahaha

this league sucks


wish i'd have know before making this agm
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3806747
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13 déc. 2022 à 13 h 27
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pfffffffhahahaha

this league sucks


Bettman Oct 18 salary could rise as high as 4-4.5mill I have full confidence (would have been 86.5-87mill)

Bettman Dec 13 salary's going up a mill ignore what I said before

Can we just move all the teams not making money to new markets as man we see the MLB, NBA, etc getting more and they went through covid but nah we get stuck in purgatory lul

Also seems the new board adds, jersey ads, helmet ads, and gambling partnerships did jack **** for revenue lul. Would have at least expected a 2.5mill increase at the minimum
13 déc. 2022 à 13 h 38
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If what Serevalli has said about the Canucks and Horvat is true management there be stupid as hell

They really went to Horvat and said u want what RNH made......
13 déc. 2022 à 13 h 40
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If what Serevalli has said about the Canucks and Horvat is true management there be stupid as hell

They really went to Horvat and said u want what RNH made......


To be fair, during the summer it was no outrageous. RNH and Horvat are pretty comparable but it was obvious that Nuge took a big discount to play with McDavid. It is time for this team to rebuild anyway
13 déc. 2022 à 13 h 46
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To be fair, during the summer it was no outrageous. RNH and Horvat are pretty comparable but it was obvious that Nuge took a big discount to play with McDavid. It is time for this team to rebuild anyway


is it too early for the Canucks to adopt the "Ruin the Crease-a for Misa" mindset?
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So Zegras crosschecks a guy in the head and DOPS is silent

Meanwhile Engvall and Skinner do it SUSPENSIONS

Guess the wheel landed on do nothing
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13 déc. 2022 à 14 h 0
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So Zegras crosschecks a guy in the head and DOPS is silent

Meanwhile Engvall and Skinner do it SUSPENSIONS

Guess the wheel landed on do nothing

George Parros is an Anaheim sleeper agent
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13 déc. 2022 à 14 h 2
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is it too early for the Canucks to adopt the "Ruin the Crease-a for Misa" mindset?


It’s scary that the misa is soon
13 déc. 2022 à 14 h 9
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It’s scary that the misa is soon


eh, we still got a couple drafts to go. I'm more excited for the Kiviharju/Eisermann draft next year
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13 déc. 2022 à 14 h 9
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So Zegras crosschecks a guy in the head and DOPS is silent

Meanwhile Engvall and Skinner do it SUSPENSIONS

Guess the wheel landed on do nothing


Edmunson got away with crosschecking Hyman in the back of the head
13 déc. 2022 à 14 h 11
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eh, we still got a couple drafts to go. I'm more excited for the Kiviharju/Eisermann draft next year


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