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Young Guns or Bust

Créé par: Dr_Invictus
Équipe: 2022-23 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 6 déc. 2022
Publié: 6 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Hear me out: Calgary needs to stop pretending they are a contender. They're not: They can't close, hold a lead and are too slow to make it deep into the playoffs. I say they let the kids play and recoup assets for the draft. If they get worse, fine... we draft higher.

Markstrom is still a great goalie. I know flames fans will hate me for trading him and Buffalo fans will think he is worthless from his past few starts. He has the yips. You'll notice the last few months, he gives up one dumb goal and then returns to form. It's all mental, and the change will be a win for everyone.

Coleman will only waive for somewhere closer to home and I figure Arizona could use a TWF winger to stabilize the kids. Honestly, they need a center but I dont see Calgary providing that.

Mangiapane would slay with Barzal (IMO). Cizikas is to balance out the cap, and replace Rooney when we send him to the minors.
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A trade will Solve the Yips.
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Vladar and Wolf are coming through the pipeline.
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6 déc. 2022 à 20 h 22
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There's not many goalies I would move an early first for.
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6 déc. 2022 à 20 h 26
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There's not many goalies I would move an early first for.


My thought was that it wouldn't be that early if Markstrom played like he could. I've watched a few Buffalo games this year and I honestly think they are just a few pieces from being a playoff team.
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6 déc. 2022 à 20 h 56
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Would need protection on the 1st to consider
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6 déc. 2022 à 21 h 42
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If that were the cost for Markstrom it wouldn’t make a ton of sense for Buffalo. Even with top 10 protection on the pick, Buffalo has several young goaltenders coming up and no desire to block them with an expensive veteran.
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6 déc. 2022 à 21 h 45
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If that were the cost for Markstrom it wouldn’t make a ton of sense for Buffalo. Even with top 10 protection on the pick, Buffalo has several young goaltenders coming up and no desire to block them with an expensive veteran.


Several?

Also, he is signed for 3 years after this.

If all goes well that is a fine transition to Levi
6 déc. 2022 à 21 h 47
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Several?

For the time being Luukkonen, Levi, Portillo, and Leionen all in the system. That’s several to me. Of course, Markstrom has a full no move clause so I don’t expect the trade would actually go through anyway.
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6 déc. 2022 à 21 h 56
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Too extreme of changes for me. Markstrom will never waive and I doubt Coleman waives to go anywhere other than Dallas within the next 2 seasons

Don't want sell low on Mang either, unless we're getting some kind of lateral deal on an upgrade for him which you don't have in your proposal
6 déc. 2022 à 21 h 59
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Eh, Mangiapane's not really worth a 1st when he's not shooting 20% - he's playing at a 20 goal/35 point pace over 82 right now, and that's with him still shooting 12.2%. He's still got 2 more years at $5.8M, I just feel like it's a big risk to spend a premium asset on him right now if he's not doing the one thing he does best. I understand Calgary wouldn't want to sell low on him, but that cap hit is just too spicy to potentially wind up with another 40 point middle-6 winger. Lord knows the Isles already have enough of those.
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6 déc. 2022 à 22 h 4
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For the time being Luukkonen, Levi, Portillo, and Leionen all in the system. That’s several to me. Of course, Markstrom has a full no move clause so I don’t expect the trade would actually go through anyway.


Luukonen is bad, Portillo is no sure thing to sign and leionen was just drafted.

Very uncertain after Levi
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Too extreme of changes for me. Markstrom will never waive and I doubt Coleman waives to go anywhere other than Dallas within the next 2 seasons

Don't want sell low on Mang either, unless we're getting some kind of lateral deal on an upgrade for him which you don't have in your proposal


I don't see small changes making any difference for this team. Calgary has no Elite talent coming through the pipe besides Coranato and Wolf. This is a deep draft and having 3 firsts would go a long way to avoiding a decade long rebuild. Imagine picking 3 1sts in 2003.. stellar year.

With the Cap as tight as it is there is no better player coming back unless Calgary gives more futures. Phoenix is warm and close enough to Dallas. Colorado would be okay, but they don't have the cap. It's minus 30 here right now. I'm sure Coleman would waive for plus 25. Odds are that team will be moved to Houston anyways. Markstrom would waive. Buffalo is a year or two away from being a contender. That team is stacked with talent and a deep prospect pool.
7 déc. 2022 à 2 h 10
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7 déc. 2022 à 9 h 9
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Eh, Mangiapane's not really worth a 1st when he's not shooting 20% - he's playing at a 20 goal/35 point pace over 82 right now, and that's with him still shooting 12.2%. He's still got 2 more years at $5.8M, I just feel like it's a big risk to spend a premium asset on him right now if he's not doing the one thing he does best. I understand Calgary wouldn't want to sell low on him, but that cap hit is just too spicy to potentially wind up with another 40 point middle-6 winger. Lord knows the Isles already have enough of those.


I agree with this. Isles need more of a sure thing than Mangiapane, even though he's a solid player.
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7 déc. 2022 à 10 h 31
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Luukonen is bad, Portillo is no sure thing to sign and leionen was just drafted.

Very uncertain after Levi

Luukkonen is probably replacing Anderson on the roster next season full time whether you like him or not. Levi could be on the team by the end of the season. Portillo is not a sure thing to sign but for now he is still in the system. If you pull the trigger on the trade like this, you can guarantee Portillo does not sign. Of course he may not sign here anyway. And for that matter, Levi probably wouldn’t like having a veteran block his chance to play games with the Sabres. You may think he is going to sign and play games in Rochester. If that were the case he would have signed this summer. He and Portillo want NHL games. I think if the Sabres were willing to offer either one of them NHL time now they would have signed already.
7 déc. 2022 à 10 h 36
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Luukkonen is probably replacing Anderson on the roster next season full time whether you like him or not. Levi could be on the team by the end of the season. Portillo is not a sure thing to sign but for now he is still in the system. If you pull the trigger on the trade like this, you can guarantee Portillo does not sign. Of course he may not sign here anyway. And for that matter, Levi probably wouldn’t like having a veteran block his chance to play games with the Sabres. You may think he is going to sign and play games in Rochester. If that were the case he would have signed this summer. He and Portillo want NHL games. I think if the Sabres were willing to offer either one of them NHL time now they would have signed already.


I mean, these are silly concerns. He's under contract for 3 years, not 8.

Levi will do atleast 1 full year in AHL and then be #2 in year 2 and they can split in demkos last year

If we go into next year with comrie and upl it will destroy our progess
7 déc. 2022 à 12 h 0
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I agree with this. Isles need more of a sure thing than Mangiapane, even though he's a solid player.


1st round pick isn't a sure thing either. Very few players are in hockey, and they cost a lot more than a 1st and Cizikas. Barzal's ability to slow the play in the offensive zone is superb. In my opinion he is one of the best Centers in the league already. Mangiapane is quick and has great positioning. I think they would be 2/3rds of the best line in hockey if it happened.
7 déc. 2022 à 17 h 2
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1st round pick isn't a sure thing either. Very few players are in hockey, and they cost a lot more than a 1st and Cizikas. Barzal's ability to slow the play in the offensive zone is superb. In my opinion he is one of the best Centers in the league already. Mangiapane is quick and has great positioning. I think they would be 2/3rds of the best line in hockey if it happened.


Sure, none of what you're saying is incorrect. The main problem here is cap management.
7 déc. 2022 à 18 h 21
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Sure, none of what you're saying is incorrect. The main problem here is cap management.


Don't the Isles only need to resign Wahlstrom next year? There is at least 11.4MM in cap with very few players to resign. Mangiapane only adds 3.5MM in this trade, even if escrow isnt paid off until the following year.
8 déc. 2022 à 9 h 0
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Don't the Isles only need to resign Wahlstrom next year? There is at least 11.4MM in cap with very few players to resign. Mangiapane only adds 3.5MM in this trade, even if escrow isnt paid off until the following year.


Wahlstrom probably won't get more than $3.5M on a two or three-year deal.

Regardless, I like Mangiapane but it's not worth giving up our 1st round pick. Would rather give that up for Timo Meier.
8 déc. 2022 à 14 h 43
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Wahlstrom probably won't get more than $3.5M on a two or three-year deal.

Regardless, I like Mangiapane but it's not worth giving up our 1st round pick. Would rather give that up for Timo Meier.


I can understand that. The only issue with Meier is getting him without an extension in place. His QO is 10MM, and could simply take the QO and walk as an FA the next year
 
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