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I think if the Miller trade did end up happening I think there’d be no Bear trade. But personally as both a Pens fan and Canucks fan, they really should’ve taken that deal for Marino. As a Pens fan it’s one that I’d hate but as a Canucks fan it’s one that I’d love. I like Rathbone but there’s no way he finds a good role with the Canucks with Hughes and OEL being locked up for long term. Hughes and Marino is nothing but a what should’ve been if that makes sense. As for the Stillman trade, it’s one that never should’ve happened and a waste of a 2nd round pick.

The Bear trade has been this management team's biggest win so far and I would easily overturn to make the previous two happen.

The fact the Canucks didn't get Marino at that price seriously made me furious. I had Boeser/Garland/Miller going for him. It made perfect sense and he was the perfect player to add to this team. I genuinely don't want to believe that the people running our organization are that incompetent but I'm not sure what other explanation there is. Maybe the Penguins organization has Rutherford blacklisted for leaving and that reported package is nonsense.

Also, the Miller extension was crazy. At the time I took I was willing to believe that they were committing to winning with this core, an idea I actually could get behind. However, Horvat needed to be signed as the true leader of the team for that to happen. I believed that once they signed Miller that they pretty much had Horvat done but they were waiting until training camp to announce it as a big morale boost for the season. Once the puck dropped for game 1 I knew management had severely hurt the organization. Those two things have hurt me as a fan more than I'd like to admit.

It's crazy that the organization might actually be in a worse position moving forward than they were when JR first took over.

Stop it. This hurts. Just glad you left out OEL/Garland or the it would be a real tear jerker.

I’ve been feeling the same way honestly. They really did nothing to improve the team at all and just stuck with it which to me in a way made sense cause the team went on a tear for a bit and almost made the playoffs but they just didn’t have enough in them. There was some decent moves made and some that sort of worked out in Vancouvers favour like with the Dakota Joshua, Curtis Lazar, Nils Aman signings which became our 4th line. So building that 4th line they did a good job of. Signing a stud like Mikheyev and singing Kuzmenko also felt like a step in the right direction but the problem is, was they did not figure out their plan with Garland and Boeser and just having too many offensive minded players but not enough defensive type of players. I honestly still like the Miller signing. It may not be loved now but he’s been producing points more recently to make up for the slump in the beginning of the season. Just hoping Bo gets an extension soon. Players that I’d think would be moved this year would be Boeser, Garland, Pearson(hopefully), and perhaps Myers. And then also best offer for Schenn cause he’ll probably just end up coming back to Vancouver lol.

The thing I hated about that is I wanted Vancouver to draft Guenther so bad cause he just felt like the right kind of fit for both Petey and Bo. And look at who Arizona took with that pick…

I agree in a sense that Miller didn't deserve that level of bashing at the start of the year. He did look terrible but after being our MVP last year he deserved some leeway. Now he's producing and is one of our offensive drivers again even if its as a winger instead of a play-driving center. However, that's never been the biggest issue with Miller. The biggest concern has always been his attitude and effect on the locker room. He was a nuclear red flag during the Bubble year and now he's definitely playing at a lower pace than last year. That's something that could have been predicted, ie. mailing it in after securing the bag. There's still a lot of time left and he could hit another level for a stretch or for the Playoffs, but it's a terrible look right now. Again, I wasn't necessarily against the idea of re-signing Miller, but there's absolutely no way I would have re-signed him without re-signing Horvat first as the true leader for this core moving forward. If we could only keep one, I would've kept Horvat.