Buch no. I’m not a huge believer in Holtz and I think Buchnevich’s contract warrants at least a first round pick ++. He’s just so good and I don’t want to trade him.

I don't really think the Blues are interested in trading Buchnevich right now. He's cheap, he's got term, he's been a top line forward ever since he's been here, he's young enough that they could talk themselves into him being part of the "new core". Tarasenko or O'Reilly or Barbashev is probably where their interest lies as far as forwards they're willing to listen on go. Especially if this is the best offer they get, easy choice to keep him.

I'd probably lean to no.

The only "meaningful" assets in this exchange are Holtz and the 1st, and based on how good NJ has been this year, it's fair to estimate that that pick be a relatively low one.

ANA should build around Terry, he's probably their best individual player tight now.

Keller is inked long-term, I don't see the point for ARI to deal him unless the deal absolutely blows their pants out.

STL looks to contend right now, although this year they've struggled quite a bit. I dunno if acquiring futures is in the cards for them, at least not yet.

Lastly, Debrincat...can't see OTT wanting to give up on him after such a short time, but by the same token, if he plans to pull a Tkachuk which is a considerable possibility, Holtz+1st for him good be a decent haul, at least compared to what they paid for him.

The trade with Ottawa would make sense if DeBrincat did not want to sign long term with us.

if he wants more than 7M long term OTT should trade him

Ducks arent trading Terry unless they get absolutely blown away, dont think that this trade does that

He's our next captain, and trading him away means we need to replace him and delays the rebuild even longer

Keller would be amazing in Nj. Sent you a proposal a while ago but you blocked me for Keller and wanted what you thought. Common Tintin L

Actually made a gc with you and devil about that and both you guys left

His QO is 9M…

He's 25 and the team is just bottoming out now. Idk, man. That's stretching into his decline years. I don't think it's delaying the rebuild as opposed to concentrating it purely in the same age group.

see: Devils, NJ

LMAOO

Hes the next captain of the Ducks, we already have a stocked prospect pool and have 7 top 64 picks over the next two drafts

His "decline years" are 5 years away if not longer, The Ducks can have a quick turnaround (albeit unlikely but 2 years is 100% plausible), especially with what looks to be a lock at on of the top prospects in this draft on top of our stacked prospect pool and the returns of guys like Klingberg, Kulikov, Henrique, etc

Trading Terry does not make sense for ANA, his age is hardly an issue, not everyone is going to be 21, hes still getting better whos to say his ceiling isnt over 100 points if hes already a point per game on this team with the inept Dallas Eakins coaching

His decline is likely much sooner than 5 years. Lots of aging curve work done for the NHL. Look into it

I'm not saying they would trade him. I just dont think it's a bad idea to do so (especially for a haul like this), and really go all in on a core that's all the same age. Rebuilds in the NHL take 7ishhhh years on average, last time I looked into it.

Yeah don't see the blues trading Buch at all and they would need to be blown out of the water to trade him. He's signed for 5.8 mil which is pretty good for a PPG winger. Your offer is a good offer but I don't think the blues would consider it

Considering just on-the-ice…

1. Meier
2. Terry
3. Buchnevich
4. Debrincat
5. Keller
6. Boeser
367. Anderson

Considering all factors, like availability, contract and cost

1. Meier
2. Boeser
3. DeBrincat
4. Buchnevich
5. Keller
6. Terry
368. Anderson

I think the best forwards to consider are guys that are
(1) undervalued
(2) still young/affordable
(3) aren’t fitting with current system
(4) could improve by playing in our system.

I am not sure who that is, but perhaps a BBSH type for net-front that plays on team that doesn’t have much possession or shot volume. So while they park it by the net, the puck never arrives.

Or a guy that is being asked to drive a line, lead on transition, but isn’t suited for that role. If they played with better transition players, their turnovers would drop, offensive chances for increase.

I don’t know….maybe…
Marcus Foligno, who should be shooting more
Joel Farabee, who should be handling puck less

He was a bit of a late bloomer and went the NCAA route, he doesn't have that much NHL mileage on him, and he's not a very physical player (outside that one unfortunate incident with Arizona that we don't talk about) His prime should stretch into his early 30s, maybe even mid.

That’s not really how aging curves work but 🤷‍♂️ who knows

Decline is a result of combination of mileage on the body, injury history, and general decline in physical abilities as one ages. Terry has a very minor injury history, and relatively light mileage for an NHLer his age, thus two of his three factors are reduced. Those models take into account all skaters at all positions (or all offense, or all defense in some of the graphs) but I didn't see a differentiation based on role/line assignment. Obviously checking forwards and goons are going to decline faster due to the mileage and injuries, as are any player who plays a physical game, such as the always desired power forwards.

Is he still going to be a PPG player when we are in the middle of our competition window? Possibly not, but shipping Terry out means we are stripping the team down to the Studs, need to ship out Fowler and Gibson, pray that Dostal lives up to expectations, and hope that the fanbase does not abandon us when we plunge ourselves back into the dark ages for another 3-5 years. That's a tough sell to a small market team that is already apathetic to what's put on the ice night in and night out. Terry, Zegras, McTavish, and Gibson are about the only reason people tune into watch our games right now.

Plenty of players with low-impact play styles, limited NHL seasons, and lack of injuries fall off after 26-29. Panarin is doing it right now, actually lol It's pretty well understood, across all sports. It's also why Dom's aging curve work has player comparable.

Idk man, Celebrini/Misa/Eiserman/Hagen are pretty awesome prizes lol Maybe I just have a different perspective but going all in on a core that will peak at the same time seems, to me, to be the way to win cups in the NHL.

The Devils went through 10 years of poor attendance and the second they started winning again, the building filled up. No one is abandoning the team.