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Boeser actual cost

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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 6 déc. 2022
Publié: 6 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
This is the minimum price, if you don't like it, stop trading for Boeser.
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Barron, Justin
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
higher of the Montreal/Florida picks (top 10 protected) becomes the lower of the picks if either or both are top 10.
2.
MTL
VAN
  1. Dadonov, Evgeni
  2. Drouin, Jonathan
  3. Hoffman, Mike
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $68 647 499 $1 132 500 $5 277 500 $13 852 501 $
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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UFA - 1
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
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UFA - 8
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 4
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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6 375 000 $6 375 000 $
C, AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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6 650 000 $6 650 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 3
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
UFA - 3
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
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UFA - 2
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
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UFA - 3
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
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UFA - 3
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 3
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
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2 875 000 $2 875 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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842 500 $842 500 $ (Bonis de performance507 500 $$508K)
DG/DD
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766 667 $766 667 $
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
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UFA - 2
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828 333 $828 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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750 000 $750 000 $
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UFA - 1
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 4
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875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 2

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6 déc. 2022 à 9 h 46
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No one trades for Boeser.

This was what the Canucks wanted for peak JT Miller last year with a 1 year term left.

That didn't work for well for the Canucks when they took a hard line on Miller return prices.

Boeser has bleeded scoring chances against this season with a team leading 36 scoring chances against with him on the ice. That along with the benchings and healthy scratch threats. This isnt close to peak Miller hype.

Habs have enough overpaid wingers, Boeser just does not fit without a winger going back like Armia or Hoffman.
6 déc. 2022 à 9 h 58
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
No one trades for Boeser.

This was what the Canucks wanted for peak JT Miller last year with a 1 year term left.

That didn't work for well for the Canucks when they took a hard line on Miller return prices.

Boeser has bleeded scoring chances against this season with a team leading 36 scoring chances against with him on the ice. That along with the benchings and healthy scratch threats. This isnt close to peak Miller hype.


Boeser is on pace for 65 points

Last time I checked hockey was a team sport, meaning that narrowing down scoring chances against to a single player has as much value as +/- IMO. It is just such a useless stat
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6 déc. 2022 à 10 h 10
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I seriously doubt Boeser will cost this much. Just about nothing points to the fact that Boeser is a hot commodity around the league, and even VAN is planning to move him only to presumably create cap space for re-signing Horvat.

There's likely something going on between him and VAN front office / coaching. Otherwise Boudreau wouldn't openly claim that he plans to healthy scratch him (which ultimately didn't happen), and the talks of him being allowed to look for a trade for himself.

This is conjecture, but usually when there's smoke, there's fire. And if they truly plan to just move him to give him a re-start somewhere else, while gaining cap help, the valuation in this trade is going to age like milk.
6 déc. 2022 à 12 h 17
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Quoting: Campabee
Boeser is on pace for 65 points

Last time I checked hockey was a team sport, meaning that narrowing down scoring chances against to a single player has as much value as +/- IMO. It is just such a useless stat


You are picking your own narrative. Even the Canucks scribes have the return very low

https://theathletic.com/3973820/2022/12/06/canucks-ilya-mikheyev-brock-boeser/

"Colleagues Thomas Drance and Rick Dhaliwal reported that the Canucks understand “that the return will be relatively pedestrian” if a Boeser trade is found. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that his value is minimal given the market conditions that the Oliver Bjorkstrand trade in the offseason hinted at, for example."

"Some clubs will therefore frame Boeser as an oft-injured, one-dimensional player who doesn’t score consistently enough at five-on-five to justify his $6.66 million cap hit."
6 déc. 2022 à 13 h 3
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You kidding right ?!
6 déc. 2022 à 13 h 16
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Quoting: Mental_yuppi
You kidding right ?!


He's going overboard, for sure.
Hockey pundits were saying in the Summer that Boeser's 7M qualifying offer was worth walking away from the player. He has only torpedo'd his value further and he makes too much money.

Boeser is a soft, perimeter player that plays wing. Those are 3 things in hockey that are never valued unless you actually score goals and Boeser has never scored more than 29 goals in a season.
Ppl comparing him to Josh Anderson, they clearly don't understand how a market works.
Josh is neither a perimeter player or soft yet can score like Boeser with multiple 20 goal seasons whereas Anderson has played on bad teams in bottom 6 roles whereas Boeser has had Petey feeding him for years.

Mikheyev is outshining Boeser in a span of a few months on Petey's wing.

There is little to no zero chance Boeser is traded for a 1st without significant money retained or money going back.
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6 déc. 2022 à 13 h 36
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He's going overboard, for sure.
Hockey pundits were saying in the Summer that Boeser's 7M qualifying offer was worth walking away from the player. He has only torpedo'd his value further and he makes too much money.

Boeser is a soft, perimeter player that plays wing. Those are 3 things in hockey that are never valued unless you actually score goals and Boeser has never scored more than 29 goals in a season.
Ppl comparing him to Josh Anderson, they clearly don't understand how a market works.
Josh is neither a perimeter player or soft yet can score like Boeser with multiple 20 goal seasons whereas Anderson has played on bad teams in bottom 6 roles whereas Boeser has had Petey feeding him for years.

Mikheyev is outshining Boeser in a span of a few months on Petey's wing.

There is little to no zero chance Boeser is traded for a 1st without significant money retained or money going back.


Hey to be fair, I never compared him to Josh and players like Boeser have a place in hockey just as much as Anderson. Boeser is more of what we wanted Drouin to become, a 50+ point setup winger which at peak value would be worth a 1st + 2nd + good prospect right now given that he is on an almost ppg pace, signed for 3 more years and at less than 7 mil (think 2014-15 Voracek value).
6 déc. 2022 à 13 h 40
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I think this is a little rich - I think Barron & a 2nd (or comparable value from another team) would be enough.

I also would be shocked to see this as an in-season trade. All the teams that have the cap space to add Boeser are the teams that shouldn't be spending futures to add a veteran like him. In the summer, when his deal is down to 2x$6.65M and teams have cap space, there will be more competition for him (plus knocking potential retention from 3 seasons down to 2 will make Vancouver more likely to consider it.)
6 déc. 2022 à 14 h 10
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Hey to be fair, I never compared him to Josh and players like Boeser have a place in hockey just as much as Anderson. Boeser is more of what we wanted Drouin to become, a 50+ point setup winger which at peak value would be worth a 1st + 2nd + good prospect right now given that he is on an almost ppg pace, signed for 3 more years and at less than 7 mil (think 2014-15 Voracek value).


Yeah the Josh Anderson stuff still triggers a whole lotta folks that think they know the market better than the insiders like Frank Seravalli and Lebrun (despite both being correct most of the time such as the Lehkonen, Kulak and Chairot trades, for example) theres a certain poster even in this thread that follows me around everywhere and in all my ACGMs despite, myself, never going in his threads. Poor guy, he will never get over that Anderson dude. I can simply bring up the name Anderson and that poster appears like clockwork, much like the boogeyman because I did an ACGM to the Isles with a 1st round pick return. This triggers him to this day YET they got Romanov instead of Anderson which wasnt exactly far off.
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