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Domi and Toews

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Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 5 déc. 2022
Publié: 5 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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We already have Nylander and Marner on the right so no room for Kane who will go to the Rangers anyways.
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CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Toews, Jonathan
12 125 000 $
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TOR
  1. Domi, Max (1 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Toews, Jonathan (5 250 000 $ retained)
CHI
  1. Robertson, Nicholas
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
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TOR
    Future considerations
    ANA
    1. Toews, Jonathan
    2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
    Détails additionnels:
    Anaheim retains 50% of remaining cap hit
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    2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
    NYI
    1. Kerfoot, Alexander (1 000 000 $ retained)
    Détails additionnels:
    Leafs retain to entice the Islanders to add to their middle age forward group which Lou will not be able to refuse lol. In reality though it doesn't have to be the Islanders but I would say with the extra cap space the Leafs would be open to retaining a bit of his salary
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    5 déc. 2022 à 11 h 41
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    who would kerfoot replace in the isles middle 6?
    5 déc. 2022 à 11 h 47
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    Not enough for CHI in that trade, they probably want a 3rd for Domi and at least a 1st+Robertson for Toews with the retention. Anaheim would probably only need a 4th for that retention.
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    5 déc. 2022 à 11 h 51
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    If we have that retention slot available still why not but I feel like we will probably use all 3 on our own guys
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    5 déc. 2022 à 11 h 52
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    I love the concept of this
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 3
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    Quoting: GMBL
    Not enough for CHI in that trade, they probably want a 3rd for Domi and at least a 1st+Robertson for Toews with the retention. Anaheim would probably only need a 4th for that retention.


    A 2nd for Domi. He has 19 points in 24 games including 9 goals and is 58% at the dot....that's easily a late 2nd.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 15
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    Quoting: GMBL
    Not enough for CHI in that trade, they probably want a 3rd for Domi and at least a 1st+Robertson for Toews with the retention. Anaheim would probably only need a 4th for that retention.


    I think Kane and Toews are going to go for a lot less than people expect them to. With their trade protection they could limit the suitors to just 1 team, and Chicago HAS to get something for them.
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    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 32
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    I think Kane and Toews are going to go for a lot less than people expect them to. With their trade protection they could limit the suitors to just 1 team, and Chicago HAS to get something for them.


    Yeah, I agree and I don't think Dubas even pays that ask. However, I think Anaheim is benefiting from that trade too much, and Domi is essentially being moved for free.

    If Robertson+1st for is enough for those two, Anaheim should be getting less for sure. There could even be contenders willing to retain some for a 4th or 5th (the second team doesn't need to retain 50%).
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 36
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    Quoting: GMBL
    Not enough for CHI in that trade, they probably want a 3rd for Domi and at least a 1st+Robertson for Toews with the retention. Anaheim would probably only need a 4th for that retention.


    1st and Robertson is more then enough for Toews and Domi. Maybe add a 3rd but I mean at this point in his career Toews is a solid 3C option but probably should not be in a contenders top 6. That cap hit would have to come way down but since the Hawks can only retain 50% they may not get a lot for Toews. Domi is honestly more valuable in this trade imo. In his prime, can play wing or C, has some bite, can play top 6, low cap hit, etc.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 39
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    Quoting: GeneralLandro
    If we have that retention slot available still why not but I feel like we will probably use all 3 on our own guys


    Yeah I see your point and the Leafs would have to entice the Ducks enough and I think a 3rd would do it. You could make it Ottawa's 3rd if you want a pick that will be earlier in the 1st round.

    I think the only guys the ducks would trade where they may need to retain however would be Kulikov, Klingberg, and Shattenkirk. I don't think they will move all those guys though because their blueline would need some veteran presence to help out the kids. I would say most likely it would be Shattenkirk and Klingberg on the way out.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 40
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    Quoting: themostleaf33
    Yeah I see your point and the Leafs would have to entice the Ducks enough and I think a 3rd would do it. You could make it Ottawa's 3rd if you want a pick that will be earlier in the 1st round.

    I think the only guys the ducks would trade where they may need to retain however would be Kulikov, Klingberg, and Shattenkirk. I don't think they will move all those guys though because their blueline would need some veteran presence to help out the kids. I would say most likely it would be Shattenkirk and Klingberg on the way out.


    Earlier in the 3rd round my bad.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 41
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    I love the concept of this


    Ik right its something I could definitely see happening too. I doubt the Leafs get or even target Kane for that matter so why not go after these two. There is a trade history between these two teams.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 42
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    A 2nd for Domi. He has 19 points in 24 games including 9 goals and is 58% at the dot....that's easily a late 2nd.


    Retention doesn't really hold a lot of value in a trade deadline deal and Toews certainly doesn't hold the value he used to. I see him as a 3C option for a contender. Maybe you could throw another 3rd in there but more then that is probably an overpayment.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 44
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    Yeah, I agree and I don't think Dubas even pays that ask. However, I think Anaheim is benefiting from that trade too much, and Domi is essentially being moved for free.

    If Robertson+1st for is enough for those two, Anaheim should be getting less for sure. There could even be contenders willing to retain some for a 4th or 5th (the second team doesn't need to retain 50%).


    We are likely using all our retention spots on our own UFAs this season, so its a moot point on "Our compensation", I'm just speculating that fans thinking Toews and Kane's rental returns are going to turn the team around 3 years earlier are going to be sorely mistaken, because its not going to be a bidding war, rather a race to the bottom.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 44
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    Quoting: Db1899
    who would kerfoot replace in the isles middle 6?


    Lol again it just seems like a move Lou would make but its doesn't have to be the Islanders. With the Leafs retaining 1 mill or so I think someone would bite even if its not the Islanders.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 45
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    Quoting: themostleaf33
    Retention doesn't really hold a lot of value in a trade deadline deal and Toews certainly doesn't hold the value he used to. I see him as a 3C option for a contender. Maybe you could throw another 3rd in there but more then that is probably an overpayment.


    It's not my proposal, but regardless, Domi is a 2nd all day long the way he's playing. Toews is a late 1st all day long the way he's playing and the experience he brings. Those are both pretty conservative estimates and could be more.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 50
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    We are likely using all our retention spots on our own UFAs this season, so its a moot point on "Our compensation", I'm just speculating that fans thinking Toews and Kane's rental returns are going to turn the team around 3 years earlier are going to be sorely mistaken, because its not going to be a bidding war, rather a race to the bottom.


    I mentioned this earlier but Anaheim doesn't have a ton of expiring UFA contracts. I mean up front it is just Derrick Grant who makes 1.5 and on the back end its Shattenkirk Klingberg and Kulikov as the bigger names I guess you could say. They might want to retain the 2.125 of the Toews contract just to ensure they are still above the cap floor. I mean right now they are at 68 mill so assuming they trade Shattenkrik and Klingberg and retain on both, this might be a move they have to make to ensure they stay above the bottom of the cap so they can move Grant and Kulikov.

    Grant could probably go to a contender without salary retention as he just makes 1.5 and Kulikov as well as he just makes 2.25. All of their other pending UFAs are under 1 million and don't really need retention. So I mean unless they are trying to move a guy like Henrique or Silvferberg this year instead of next year, which I doubt a lot of teams would bite on, Toews gives them the most salary against the cap after Klingberg, with Shattenkirk being 3rd.

    Do you kind of see the point I'm making?
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 52
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    It's not my proposal, but regardless, Domi is a 2nd all day long the way he's playing. Toews is a late 1st all day long the way he's playing and the experience he brings. Those are both pretty conservative estimates and could be more.


    I guess it depends on how you view Robertson then. The late 1st is definitely there. Is Robertson worth a late 2nd in your eyes? I mean if your going straight up Robertson for Domi is that a trade you would make? I guess the deciding factor would be if a team offered a better return then just Robertson for Domi. It is certainly possible.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 55
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    Quoting: themostleaf33
    1st and Robertson is more then enough for Toews and Domi. Maybe add a 3rd but I mean at this point in his career Toews is a solid 3C option but probably should not be in a contenders top 6. That cap hit would have to come way down but since the Hawks can only retain 50% they may not get a lot for Toews. Domi is honestly more valuable in this trade imo. In his prime, can play wing or C, has some bite, can play top 6, low cap hit, etc.


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    Yeah, I agree and I don't think Dubas even pays that ask. However, I think Anaheim is benefiting from that trade too much, and Domi is essentially being moved for free.

    If Robertson+1st for is enough for those two, Anaheim should be getting less for sure. There could even be contenders willing to retain some for a 4th or 5th (the second team doesn't need to retain 50%).


    My issue with it is more of a consistency thing, I feel like Anaheim is benefitting too much off the trade, and I get it but maybe you just have the wrong team retaining, a team like Buffalo (if out of the playoff race) would probably do it for a 4th. Leafs retained 50% (2.5m) on Lehner in 2020 for a 5th, so there is bound to be a better deal out there.

    I don't think Dubas would give up a 1st and Robertson unless he's getting back 2023 2nd (probably TBs) from Chicago

    So the adjustment I would make is 1st 2023+Robertson+a 2025 3rd for Toews, Domi + 2023 2nd (TB) and a 4th round pick to a team to retain 50% like Vancouver.

    Another thing is the Leafs are probably not going to retain on Kerfoot. If they can't move him out without retention, then they probably keep him over acquiring Domi, or move Engvall instead.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 56
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    Quoting: themostleaf33
    I guess it depends on how you view Robertson then. The late 1st is definitely there. Is Robertson worth a late 2nd in your eyes? I mean if your going straight up Robertson for Domi is that a trade you would make? I guess the deciding factor would be if a team offered a better return then just Robertson for Domi. It is certainly possible.


    And it will vary from team or scout to team or scout. Robertson is interesting case; some may view him as highly valuable, others may view him as a AHL/NHL tweener.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 58
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    And it will vary from team or scout to team or scout. Robertson is interesting case; some may view him as highly valuable, others may view him as a AHL/NHL tweener.


    Exactly. I think it was an offer the Hawks would certainly listen to. It just totally depends on if they would rather draft their own player, see what other prospects are available, or take Robertson.
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    We are likely using all our retention spots on our own UFAs this season, so its a moot point on "Our compensation", I'm just speculating that fans thinking Toews and Kane's rental returns are going to turn the team around 3 years earlier are going to be sorely mistaken, because its not going to be a bidding war, rather a race to the bottom.


    Yeah, I agree. It's going to be other teams other than Anaheim, Arizona, and Chi would be used to facilitate trades that require double retention but the cost should be less than a 3rd was my point really. A 4th or 5th depending on who the team is. Kane's return should be similar to Giroux's if there's at least two teams like there was for Giroux (too bad he didn't limit his movement to Colorado). Toews could also net a similar but less valuable return. I think it would just cost a 2nd instead of a 1st.
    5 déc. 2022 à 14 h 1
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    My issue with it is more of a consistency thing, I feel like Anaheim is benefitting too much off the trade, and I get it but maybe you just have the wrong team retaining, a team like Buffalo (if out of the playoff race) would probably do it for a 4th. Leafs retained 50% (2.5m) on Lehner in 2020 for a 5th, so there is bound to be a better deal out there.

    I don't think Dubas would give up a 1st and Robertson unless he's getting back 2023 2nd (probably TBs) from Chicago

    So the adjustment I would make is 1st 2023+Robertson+a 2025 3rd for Toews, Domi + 2023 2nd (TB) and a 4th round pick to a team to retain 50% like Vancouver.

    Another thing is the Leafs are probably not going to retain on Kerfoot. If they can't move him out without retention, then they probably keep him over acquiring Domi, or move Engvall instead.


    I don't think the Hawks would bite on that though. I mean the reason I see Robertson as expendable is because Knies is basically NHL ready according to a lot of scouts. I mean that doesn't lower Robertson's value, but I think it would allow Dubas to be a little more aggresive. Robertson would also get a ton of playing time in Chicago after the deadline as their top 6 would likely be very depleted (Kane, Domi, Toews, Anthanasiou all likely traded).
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    Yeah, I agree. It's going to be other teams other than Anaheim, Arizona, and Chi would be used to facilitate trades that require double retention but the cost should be less than a 3rd was my point really. A 4th or 5th depending on who the team is. Kane's return should be similar to Giroux's if there's at least two teams like there was for Giroux (too bad he didn't limit his movement to Colorado). Toews could also net a similar return.


    Yeah I could see it not necessarily costing a 3rd, I guess it just depends on who will take the 4th or 5th for the retention.
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    Quoting: themostleaf33
    I don't think the Hawks would bite on that though. I mean the reason I see Robertson as expendable is because Knies is basically NHL ready according to a lot of scouts. I mean that doesn't lower Robertson's value, but I think it would allow Dubas to be a little more aggresive. Robertson would also get a ton of playing time in Chicago after the deadline as their top 6 would likely be very depleted (Kane, Domi, Toews, Anthanasiou all likely traded).


    Yeah, it might not be. The other option is that the 1st isn't a current one like in the Giroux trade.

    Could just be a 2025 1st (top 10 protected) + Robertson + OTT 2023 3rd for Toews and Domi, if you want to go worst case the second retention costs a 2024/25 Toronto 3rd.

    I think Dubas would be willing to move off of Robertson but he's probably going to want someone that could potentially return next year/that they would want to make room for. I think Toews could be but he is 34.
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    Quoting: GMBL
    My issue with it is more of a consistency thing, I feel like Anaheim is benefitting too much off the trade, and I get it but maybe you just have the wrong team retaining, a team like Buffalo (if out of the playoff race) would probably do it for a 4th. Leafs retained 50% (2.5m) on Lehner in 2020 for a 5th, so there is bound to be a better deal out there.

    I don't think Dubas would give up a 1st and Robertson unless he's getting back 2023 2nd (probably TBs) from Chicago

    So the adjustment I would make is 1st 2023+Robertson+a 2025 3rd for Toews, Domi + 2023 2nd (TB) and a 4th round pick to a team to retain 50% like Vancouver.

    Another thing is the Leafs are probably not going to retain on Kerfoot. If they can't move him out without retention, then they probably keep him over acquiring Domi, or move Engvall instead.


    Retention costs are at an all time high due to the cap having been depressed the last few seasons, so I could see it costing as high as a third for whoever decides to step in and take the hit, the value difference really isn't that high between those picks when you look at how likely you are to hit on an NHL player with them.

    @themostleaf33 We're rather expecting to send out all three defensemen. Kulikov is the least likely to need retention, but there is a possibility we send out Henrique with retention if the right bid comes in (Looking at you Colorado, come get your 2C for the next two seasons)
     
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