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Équipe: 2023-24 Islanders de New York
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    5 déc. 2022 à 10 h 54
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    No interest. Pasta staying
    5 déc. 2022 à 11 h 5
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    HABS are not trading picks but we`ll swap for Hoffman
    5 déc. 2022 à 11 h 28
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    The habs are not remotely interested in Beauvillier thats just lazy "hes french so the habs should be interested" narrative.

    It also doesnt fit the players Hughes has gone after.

    Since taking over the habs have acquired 12 actual players in trades. Only 2 have been sub 6 foot players.

    Dadonov who was simply the price for getting out of Webers deal (aka someone they werent actually trading for but had to take on)

    Beaudin which was a AHL deal and a low risk former 1st round pick who they acquired for a even smaller forward.

    They dont want small players especially ones on a 2 year streak of being underproductive.
    5 déc. 2022 à 11 h 34
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    I certainly think Pastrnak is staying. I know that the numbers that they’ve agreed on is 8x10, with a whole bunch of work to do regarding structure (there are some real fights to be had there regarding 26-27 signing bonus because everyone thinks there will be a lockout). I’m definitely not going to be one of those guys that says that a player is for sure staying - we don’t know that. All signs point to it however.

    Now, onto palmieri being a replacement….uhhh, no. That’s like someone who commutes 100 miles for work every day selling their car and replacing it with a unicycle. Palmieri stinks and is likely to get worse as he ages.
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    5 déc. 2022 à 12 h 5
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    Quoting: Black61
    The habs are not remotely interested in Beauvillier thats just lazy "hes french so the habs should be interested" narrative.

    It also doesnt fit the players Hughes has gone after.

    Since taking over the habs have acquired 12 actual players in trades. Only 2 have been sub 6 foot players.

    Dadonov who was simply the price for getting out of Webers deal (aka someone they werent actually trading for but had to take on)

    Beaudin which was a AHL deal and a low risk former 1st round pick who they acquired for a even smaller forward.

    They dont want small players especially ones on a 2 year streak of being underproductive.


    habs fans have been saying that they want Beau on here for years lmao.
    5 déc. 2022 à 12 h 6
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    HABS are not trading picks but we`ll swap for Hoffman

    hahahaha Hoffman is a negative asset lol
    5 déc. 2022 à 12 h 7
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    Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
    habs fans have been saying that they want Beau on here for years lmao.


    No thats been mostly islanders fans trying to get rid of him for high picks.

    Also Fans =/= management (you know the people ACTUALLY making trades)
    5 déc. 2022 à 12 h 10
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    No thats been mostly islanders fans trying to get rid of him for high picks.

    Also Fans =/= management (you know the people ACTUALLY making trades)


    It has been Habs fans lil bro.

    And obviously lol. But using that logic there would be no reason for this entire forum. This is made for fun and ideas. Thus why i said hopeful.
    5 déc. 2022 à 12 h 18
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    Quoting: Black61
    The habs are not remotely interested in Beauvillier thats just lazy "hes french so the habs should be interested" narrative.

    It also doesnt fit the players Hughes has gone after.

    Since taking over the habs have acquired 12 actual players in trades. Only 2 have been sub 6 foot players.

    Dadonov who was simply the price for getting out of Webers deal (aka someone they werent actually trading for but had to take on)

    Beaudin which was a AHL deal and a low risk former 1st round pick who they acquired for a even smaller forward.

    They dont want small players especially ones on a 2 year streak of being underproductive.


    Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
    habs fans have been saying that they want Beau on here for years lmao.


    Idk if the Habs wants beau or not, but it makes no sense for the isles to sell low on him.

    Idea he’s not productive has been perpetuated by fan bloggers and Kevin Kurz. Kurz has also complained about Barzal in the past…. Dude is a hack.
    5 déc. 2022 à 12 h 21
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    Quoting: BadaBing
    HABS are not trading picks but we`ll swap for Hoffman


    You’ll need a pick to trade Hoffman he’s a cap dump
    5 déc. 2022 à 12 h 21
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    Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
    It has been Habs fans lil bro.

    And obviously lol. But using that logic there would be no reason for this entire forum. This is made for fun and ideas. Thus why i said hopeful.


    "They have been rumored to want him for a while" . There has been no rumours about habs management wanting him. He doesnt remotely fit the MO of the habs current management.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3778347

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3729807

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3711529

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3770250


    This is all the AGMs from the first 10 pages of each teams lists. Its easily way more Islanders fans trying to dump him than habs fans wanting him
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 30
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    Quoting: Black61
    "They have been rumored to want him for a while" . There has been no rumours about habs management wanting him. He doesnt remotely fit the MO of the habs current management.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3778347

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3729807

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3711529

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3770250


    This is all the AGMs from the first 10 pages of each teams lists. Its easily way more Islanders fans trying to dump him than habs fans wanting him


    First one is satire, 2nd and 3rd are from a guy who just trolls and the last one is a hockey trade FROM A HABS FAN LMAO. I am not arguing with you what I have seen lmfao. Habs fans for years have had a handful of guys that they create AGMs about. Most recently Beau and now Laf.

    You are getting way too upset, too. "They have been rumored to want him for a while" when did I say this? I said people on AGM, aka cap friendly lol.

    I get you are a fan, but you do not know exactly what management wants. A speedy winger could help open up the ice, or there could be no need for it because they are making a big signing or trade. But, nobody really knows. But from someone who does not really follow the Habs, a top 9 of

    Cole-Suzuki-Dach
    Beau-Free Agent playmaker who plays two ways well-Gallagher
    Slaf-Dvorak/FA-Anderson

    is a pretty solid top 9. It all depends on what management does with the veteran players (like Hoffman and Armia, etc) but there is definitely a use for Beau. Even on the 3rd line, getting a younger, speedy winger with upside who is on line with Slaf's deal could help quite a bit, basically being able to slot up and down with Slaf's growth.

    So again, I am not an assistant to Kent Hughes or whatever, but there is a clear use for Beau. Me sighting the fact that I have seen many Habs AGMs on here over the years of Habs fans going after Beau certainly is enough for me to do this
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 46
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    Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
    First one is satire, 2nd and 3rd are from a guy who just trolls and the last one is a hockey trade FROM A HABS FAN LMAO. I am not arguing with you what I have seen lmfao. Habs fans for years have had a handful of guys that they create AGMs about. Most recently Beau and now Laf.

    You are getting way too upset, too. "They have been rumored to want him for a while" when did I say this? I said people on AGM, aka cap friendly lol.

    I get you are a fan, but you do not know exactly what management wants. A speedy winger could help open up the ice, or there could be no need for it because they are making a big signing or trade. But, nobody really knows. But from someone who does not really follow the Habs, a top 9 of

    Cole-Suzuki-Dach
    Beau-Free Agent playmaker who plays two ways well-Gallagher
    Slaf-Dvorak/FA-Anderson

    is a pretty solid top 9. It all depends on what management does with the veteran players (like Hoffman and Armia, etc) but there is definitely a use for Beau. Even on the 3rd line, getting a younger, speedy winger with upside who is on line with Slaf's deal could help quite a bit, basically being able to slot up and down with Slaf's growth.

    So again, I am not an assistant to Kent Hughes or whatever, but there is a clear use for Beau. Me sighting the fact that I have seen many Habs AGMs on here over the years of Habs fans going after Beau certainly is enough for me to do this


    you are the one posting it.

    And you have no idea about the habs long term plans and AB does not remotely fit. You just put together a lineup where the 2nd tallest winger in the top 6 isnt 6 feet tall. That is not remotely the MO of the current regime.

    Olympian Sean Farrell will be joining the team in the spring and will be in the top 9 next season. He is another short player.

    And he isnt "younger" he turns 26 at the end of the season and is a UFA at the end of the season after.

    Hard Pass.
    5 déc. 2022 à 13 h 56
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    Quoting: Black61
    you are the one posting it.

    And you have no idea about the habs long term plans and AB does not remotely fit. You just put together a lineup where the 2nd tallest winger in the top 6 isnt 6 feet tall. That is not remotely the MO of the current regime.

    Olympian Sean Farrell will be joining the team in the spring and will be in the top 9 next season. He is another short player.

    And he isnt "younger" he turns 26 at the end of the season and is a UFA at the end of the season after.

    Hard Pass.

    "olympian Sean Farrell"

    I cannot say what I wanna say because I do not want to break forum rules, so I will be very respectful. There are stereotypes regarding the Habs fan base and I always try to ignore them because a few bad fans do not represent an entire fanbase. But, you are making it quite challenging to see that. You keep changing the goal posts. You have gone from the french canadien argument to the size argument to not being good enough to a 21 year old Ivy Kid in his DY+3 beating up on 18-19 year old walk-ons to me not knowing the habs long term plans while you do is just... something.

    You are not in the canadiens org, you are not in the islanders org. You claiming that Beau has no fit yet a DY+3 forward who is finally beating up in the Ivy League against microsoft engineers and NASA scientists. You also have no directly disputed by point on why one year of beau may be useful.

    Giving up a 2nd and 3rd for a high-upside player who plays a relatively similar game to St. Louis and can be coached into a breakout like Dach is not a bad move for the Habs. Yet, you can tell me that I am wrong because I am not Kent Hughes, nor are you.

    Let people have fun on here, lol. No reason not to

    Also he is younger compared to the core of Monahan, Drouin, Gallagher, Armia, etc. I never said young, I said younger. Which is relative. Dont be narrow minded
    5 déc. 2022 à 14 h 18
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    Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
    "olympian Sean Farrell"

    I cannot say what I wanna say because I do not want to break forum rules, so I will be very respectful. There are stereotypes regarding the Habs fan base and I always try to ignore them because a few bad fans do not represent an entire fanbase. But, you are making it quite challenging to see that. You keep changing the goal posts. You have gone from the french canadien argument to the size argument to not being good enough to a 21 year old Ivy Kid in his DY+3 beating up on 18-19 year old walk-ons to me not knowing the habs long term plans while you do is just... something.

    You are not in the canadiens org, you are not in the islanders org. You claiming that Beau has no fit yet a DY+3 forward who is finally beating up in the Ivy League against microsoft engineers and NASA scientists. You also have no directly disputed by point on why one year of beau may be useful.

    Giving up a 2nd and 3rd for a high-upside player who plays a relatively similar game to St. Louis and can be coached into a breakout like Dach is not a bad move for the Habs. Yet, you can tell me that I am wrong because I am not Kent Hughes, nor are you.

    Let people have fun on here, lol. No reason not to

    Also he is younger compared to the core of Monahan, Drouin, Gallagher, Armia, etc. I never said young, I said younger. Which is relative. Dont be narrow minded


    Are you oblivious to who Farrell is?

    He led the US team (which included Knies who any leaf fan will easily pen in to a top 6 spot a few months from now,

    He is leading Harvard in scoring over a 13th overall pick in Coronato. Was over a PPg in his freshman year.

    He led the USHL in scoring 2 years ago with a comfortable lead of 16 points over 2nd place and 31 points over 3rd place.

    He is not some nobody he is a bonafide prospect who will play games i the NHL this year.


    You also seem to be ignorant to the fact that Beau is on pace for 36 points this year. He is a career 39 point 82 game pace player. He is NOT A TOP 6 PLAYER. What upside is there at 26? Based on most of the statistical modelling done on players he is more likely to be worse than he is now.

    Why would the habs be interested in a 26 year old bottom 6 undersized who is a year away from free agency. Unless they are being paid to take him theres no logic in the habs wanting him. The habs have the largest number of expected NHLers in the prospect pool they dont need to scrounge for middling players. If they were going to spend a 1st round pick worth of value they could easily get something younger and better.
    5 déc. 2022 à 14 h 46
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    Quoting: Black61
    Are you oblivious to who Farrell is?

    He led the US team (which included Knies who any leaf fan will easily pen in to a top 6 spot a few months from now,

    He is leading Harvard in scoring over a 13th overall pick in Coronato. Was over a PPg in his freshman year.

    He led the USHL in scoring 2 years ago with a comfortable lead of 16 points over 2nd place and 31 points over 3rd place.

    He is not some nobody he is a bonafide prospect who will play games i the NHL this year.


    You also seem to be ignorant to the fact that Beau is on pace for 36 points this year. He is a career 39 point 82 game pace player. He is NOT A TOP 6 PLAYER. What upside is there at 26? Based on most of the statistical modelling done on players he is more likely to be worse than he is now.

    Why would the habs be interested in a 26 year old bottom 6 undersized who is a year away from free agency. Unless they are being paid to take him theres no logic in the habs wanting him. The habs have the largest number of expected NHLers in the prospect pool they dont need to scrounge for middling players. If they were going to spend a 1st round pick worth of value they could easily get something younger and better.



    “ Based on most of the statistical modelling done on players he is more likely to be worse than he is now.” “bottom 6”

    Sean Farrell is not viewed as a top NHL prospect, Coronato is a year younger, bigger and plays a far better two way game. Knies has been incredibly overrated by Leafs fans. They have been doing this for years. Bracco, Robertson, Minten, etc. I could go on forever. That olympics was full of ECHL free agent and foreign players who didnt make LIIGA rosters.

    I am done w this. You value your players waaayyyy too high. Do you also think Anderson is good?
     
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