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Créé par: TMLBRIAN
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 4 déc. 2022
Publié: 4 déc. 2022
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The number one thing I think the Leafs need is a big guy who can play in their top 6, who can play wing and can play centre if one of Tavares or Matthews goes down. Boone Jenner would fit the mould perfectly. He is the captain of Columbus and is signed for several more years. So he would cost quite a bit.

My Offer:
A - Prospect in Robertson
B to B+ Prospect in Steeves
1st Round Pick this year
3rd Round Pick in 2025

I know Columbus would have little interest in trading Boone Jenner, but does this offer tempt them? I would much rather the Leafs go down this route than to go for a pending UFA.

Thoughts?
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4 déc. 2022 à 17 h 16
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Isn't Kerfoot the guy to replace Tavares or Matthews.? He was the second best forward (as centre) in the Habs series when Tavares went down.
You traded two LWers when the Leafs have three UFA wingers next season. Jenner has been good for the past year and half, but pretty average before that.
4 déc. 2022 à 17 h 21
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Isn't Kerfoot the guy to replace Tavares or Matthews.? He was the second best forward (as centre) in the Habs series when Tavares went down.
You traded two LWers when the Leafs have three UFA wingers next season. Jenner has been good for the past year and half, but pretty average before that.


I would prefer Boone over Kerfoot at that slot. Bigger, better on the draws, has been playing over 20 mins a game for a few years now. If Matthews or Tavares went down, I could see Nylander being given a look at centre also.

I kept Kerfoot here for a reason as well. He is very versatile.

And yes I traded 2 left wingers but I got one lw/c back in Jenner. In the offseason I would try to re-sign bunting and going after Kuzmenko is something I would love to see. I am not too worried about filling the left wing slots.

I don't love the idea of giving up Robertson, but if I do it would be for a guy like Jenner or Chychrun.
4 déc. 2022 à 17 h 31
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Jenner is not being traded pretty much no matter what you offer. He's our Captain, we just extended him, and he's far and away the most effective all-around center we have. it's just... no.


(Well, "no matter what you offer" within reasonably expected bounds - i.e. the Leafs aren't going to offer Matthews or anything similarly insane, because that would be insane.)
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4 déc. 2022 à 17 h 34
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Jenner is not being traded pretty much no matter what you offer. He's our Captain, we just extended him, and he's far and away the most effective all-around center we have. it's just... no.


(Well, "no matter what you offer" within reasonably expected bounds - i.e. the Leafs aren't going to offer Matthews or anything similarly insane, because that would be insane.)


Yes I get that. Ideally he is a middle 6 type of guy, getting about 16-17 minutes a night. He would be great on the 3rd line here, if Knies gels on line 2.

This is a substantial package. I wonder what the package would need to be for Columbus to move him.
4 déc. 2022 à 17 h 37
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Yes I get that. Ideally he is a middle 6 type of guy, getting about 16-17 minutes a night. He would be great on the 3rd line here, if Knies gels on line 2.

This is a substantial package. I wonder what the package would need to be for Columbus to move him.

I legit cannot think of anything that the Jackets would go for that would actually work for both teams. Even getting an equivalent player plus more back isn't the same because "equivalent" != "Boone Jenner himself." It's just one of those things.

I will say that having a package that's focused on wingers, like this one, has zero chance.
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I legit cannot think of anything that the Jackets would go for that would actually work for both teams. Even getting an equivalent player plus more back isn't the same because "equivalent" != "Boone Jenner himself." It's just one of those things.

I will say that having a package that's focused on wingers, like this one, has zero chance.


What are the needs of Columbus? Centres? We don't have any young promising C prospects. We have Niemela as a promising RD though.
4 déc. 2022 à 17 h 50
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Not a tempting offer. Jenner fits both their leadership and roster needs too well to consider trading him away. He should probably end up retiring a Blue Jacket.
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4 déc. 2022 à 19 h 7
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What are the needs of Columbus? Centres? We don't have any young promising C prospects. We have Niemela as a promising RD though.

The current major gaps on the roster are:
* #1C. We're hoping that one of KJ or Sillinger can fit that role - or, barring that, whomever we draft at the end of this year.
* #1RD. Jiricek is expected/hoped to grow into this role.
* #2RD. We have about four or five different candidates for this, though, and so are not seeking new "possibilities".
Top-6 wingers are essentially a settled matter - Laine and Gaudreau are set, and after that comes any combination of Chinakhov, Marchenko, KJ (if he doesn't make it as a C), Texier, or any of a number of other promising-looking types that are still prospects (folks like Jordan Dumais come to mind). #1LD is Werenski. #2LD for now is Gavrikov, but if he chooses not to stay as we build back up we've got Mateychuk on his way.

The skillsets on the roster we presently lack that we'd like to find more of are:
* Power Forward - but that's true of damn near everybody in the League. The closest thing we have to a candiate for this is Voronkov.
* Two-way skill C - similarly of high value, and if we get a #1C maybe we can let Jenner hop into that role full time instead of his current "do everything we could ever need in the top-6 and maybe a little extra while you're at it, please". Sillinger might be able to pull this off but we're not sure. Voronkov's a candidate for this as well.
We're also still desperately trying to teach most of our youngsters how to be coordinated in defensive efforts, but that's not something you can trade for per se.

What we already have in abundance and do not want more of:
* Wingers. Wingers wingers wingers. Any kind of wingers. Any quality of wingers. No more wingers. We have all the wingers. ALL THE WINGERS. (The sole exception is if some idiot GM decides that they don't like having an established 20-something power forward winger and wants to give him away, but we'd be competing with 31 other teams in such an instance.)
* Offense-oriented defensemen. This is, like, virtually the entirety of our blueline right now.
* Young RD. Jones' departure made RD a sizeable gap, and so we've brought in a lot of guys to try to cover it. One more isn't improving things.

In short, while we have obvious gaps, we have a whole mess of young candidates for all of those gaps. Only a few are short on possibilities.

Given this, the situation with Jenner is that he is our sole provider of a skillset and posiition combo we are critically short on, extended on a great contract, he's of special significance to the team as our Captain (and a a lifelong Blue Jacket), and he's being played above expectations and doing extremely well. We cannot expect to find a reasonable replacement for him on the free market with a contract anywhere near as good. We need more like him, not less, so losing him in a trade is extremely detrimental to the team. We cannot expect to actually conclusively fill any of the major holes in the lineup by trading him. There is therefore a ton to lose and virtually nothing to gain by having him in a trade proposal.
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4 déc. 2022 à 19 h 52
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The current major gaps on the roster are:
* #1C. We're hoping that one of KJ or Sillinger can fit that role - or, barring that, whomever we draft at the end of this year.
* #1RD. Jiricek is expected/hoped to grow into this role.
* #2RD. We have about four or five different candidates for this, though, and so are not seeking new "possibilities".
Top-6 wingers are essentially a settled matter - Laine and Gaudreau are set, and after that comes any combination of Chinakhov, Marchenko, KJ (if he doesn't make it as a C), Texier, or any of a number of other promising-looking types that are still prospects (folks like Jordan Dumais come to mind). #1LD is Werenski. #2LD for now is Gavrikov, but if he chooses not to stay as we build back up we've got Mateychuk on his way.

The skillsets on the roster we presently lack that we'd like to find more of are:
* Power Forward - but that's true of damn near everybody in the League. The closest thing we have to a candiate for this is Voronkov.
* Two-way skill C - similarly of high value, and if we get a #1C maybe we can let Jenner hop into that role full time instead of his current "do everything we could ever need in the top-6 and maybe a little extra while you're at it, please". Sillinger might be able to pull this off but we're not sure. Voronkov's a candidate for this as well.
We're also still desperately trying to teach most of our youngsters how to be coordinated in defensive efforts, but that's not something you can trade for per se.

What we already have in abundance and do not want more of:
* Wingers. Wingers wingers wingers. Any kind of wingers. Any quality of wingers. No more wingers. We have all the wingers. ALL THE WINGERS. (The sole exception is if some idiot GM decides that they don't like having an established 20-something power forward winger and wants to give him away, but we'd be competing with 31 other teams in such an instance.)
* Offense-oriented defensemen. This is, like, virtually the entirety of our blueline right now.
* Young RD. Jones' departure made RD a sizeable gap, and so we've brought in a lot of guys to try to cover it. One more isn't improving things.

In short, while we have obvious gaps, we have a whole mess of young candidates for all of those gaps. Only a few are short on possibilities.

Given this, the situation with Jenner is that he is our sole provider of a skillset and posiition combo we are critically short on, extended on a great contract, he's of special significance to the team as our Captain (and a a lifelong Blue Jacket), and he's being played above expectations and doing extremely well. We cannot expect to find a reasonable replacement for him on the free market with a contract anywhere near as good. We need more like him, not less, so losing him in a trade is extremely detrimental to the team. We cannot expect to actually conclusively fill any of the major holes in the lineup by trading him. There is therefore a ton to lose and virtually nothing to gain by having him in a trade proposal.


Thanks for the information!

I think it would be very interesting if Columbus signs one of Horvat or O'Reilly this off season. Adding one of those guys to Jenner and then having KJ and Sillinger. The team would start to shape up quite nicely.
4 déc. 2022 à 20 h 5
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Just don’t see Jenner as the type of player Leafs need, limited offensively & acquisition price is too high
4 déc. 2022 à 23 h 31
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Thanks for the information!

I think it would be very interesting if Columbus signs one of Horvat or O'Reilly this off season. Adding one of those guys to Jenner and then having KJ and Sillinger. The team would start to shape up quite nicely.

The concern there is how much those guys would cost w/r/t their cap hit. Although if the possibility that Voracek has to LTIRetire does come to pass frown that may become less of an issue.
 
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