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Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 4 déc. 2022
Publié: 4 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
TOR
  1. Horvat, Bo (2 750 000 $ retained)
  2. Schenn, Luke
VAN
  1. Hirvonen, Roni
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. Niemelä, Topi
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
  6. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (TOR)
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
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1 375 000 $1 375 000 $
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
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850 000 $850 000 $
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750 000 $750 000 $
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Équipe de réserve
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827 500 $827 500 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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900 000 $900 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 2
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Leafs easily decline on that Canucks trade and we have no use for Max Domi. A much worse team overall
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Leafs easily decline on that Canucks trade and we have no use for Max Domi. A much worse team overall


Adding Bo Horvat & Max Domi replacing Kerf & Engvall is an immediate upgrade
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4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 5
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Adding Bo Horvat & Max Domi replacing Kerf & Engvall is an immediate upgrade


Last thing Leafs need is another unlikeable player in Max Domi added to the locker room, easy pass on the Leafs end. Dubas also offered him a contract and he declined to get paid more money in Chicago. Bo Horvat doesn't net that type of return, considering that he is good as gone. Canucks are desperate to get value for him before he leaves. Luke Schenn is what I would have interest in, but a 4th max will work for both sides
4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 8
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Quoting: Babatunde
Last thing Leafs need is another unlikeable player in Max Domi added to the locker room, easy pass on the Leafs end. Dubas also offered him a contract and he declined to get paid more money in Chicago. Bo Horvat doesn't net that type of return, considering that he is good as gone. Canucks are desperate to get value for him before he leaves. Luke Schenn is what I would have interest in, but a 4th max will work for both sides


Not debating the trade values but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Bo as "good as gone." He's an Ontario boy with family and friends throughout the province, gotta think playing for the Leafs would tickle his fancy. Dubas should want to talk extension prior to a trade but Bo very well may be interested in playing in TOR.
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4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 9
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Quoting: Just_A_Guess
Not debating the trade values but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Bo as "good as gone." He's an Ontario boy with family and friends throughout the province, gotta think playing for the Leafs would tickle his fancy. Dubas should want to talk extension prior to a trade but Bo very well may be interested in playing in TOR.


For a long term extension, it's a good trade. As a rental, way too much, the Flyers didn't even get this much when they traded Giroux
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4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 10
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Canucks pass. It would have to be a 2023 1st for them to consider
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Not debating the trade values but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Bo as "good as gone." He's an Ontario boy with family and friends throughout the province, gotta think playing for the Leafs would tickle his fancy. Dubas should want to talk extension prior to a trade but Bo very well may be interested in playing in TOR.


Interest isn’t a problem but Money Is
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4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 11
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Canucks pass. It would have to be a 2023 1st for them to consider


May i ask why, it’s a 25-30 OA pick no matter what so why does year matter so damn much, It isn’t a lottery pick or even Top 20 so why?
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Quoting: Babatunde
For a long term extension, it's a good trade. As a rental, way too much, the Flyers didn't even get this much when they traded Giroux


Giroux was only willing to go to Florida, and Horvat is producing better than Giroux was last year. Horvat already has more goals this season than Giroux did at the deadline last season
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Interest isn’t a problem but Money Is


Fair point, if he's just a rental you're probably paying a little too much here.
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4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 12
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May i ask why, it’s a 25-30 OA pick no matter what so why does year matter so damn much, It isn’t a lottery pick or even Top 20 so why?


2023 draft is very deep, and it’s likely that the earlier the draft, the earlier that player will help the Canucks
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4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 13
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2023 draft is very deep, and it’s likely that the earlier the draft, the earlier that player will help the Canucks


Which is why Leafs won't move out their 2023 first
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Fair point, if he's just a rental you're probably paying a little too much here.


I know that but i still have nucks fans up my butt about paying too little. Litterally had someone tell me a 1st,2nd,Minten,Kerfoot,Topi for Schenn & Horvat 50%. Nucks fans man, they think a rental holds amazing value when in reality they don’t, Same thing they thought with Miller last season “He Is wOrTh So MuCh MoRe”. They over valued him & got 0 assets when they should’ve cashed in
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Which is why Leafs won't move out their 2023 first


Which is also why the Canucks won’t accept a deal without their 2023 1st. If you want the top available player at the deadline, you’ll have to pay a steep price
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2023 draft is very deep, and it’s likely that the earlier the draft, the earlier that player will help the Canucks


While I would agree, I doubt teams will be that willing to move their 2023 1st. It has been something extremely coveted by teams early this season so it really depends on who you get the offer from if you even do get a 2023 1st knowing how stacked it is, a pick in the 28-30’s isn’t that important unless a catastrophic collapse (Florida)
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Which is also why the Canucks won’t accept a deal without their 2023 1st. If you want the top available player at the deadline, you’ll have to pay a steep price


What leverage does the Canucks have when all their players want out? BAHAHA, he is good as gone next season and the only offers that they would take are low-balls. Canucks don't have to trade him but they will lose him for nothing which I would like to see as well LOL
4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 20
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What leverage does the Canucks have when all their players want out? BAHAHA, he is good as gone next season and the only offers that they would take are low-balls. Canucks don't have to trade him but they will lose him for nothing which I would like to see as well LOL


Considering a lot of teams would be interested in Horvat, they have a lot of leverage. Especially for a desperate Leafs team who want to win because they know Matthews wants out and is gonna leave
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4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 28
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I know that but i still have nucks fans up my butt about paying too little. Litterally had someone tell me a 1st,2nd,Minten,Kerfoot,Topi for Schenn & Horvat 50%. Nucks fans man, they think a rental holds amazing value when in reality they don’t, Same thing they thought with Miller last season “He Is wOrTh So MuCh MoRe”. They over valued him & got 0 assets when they should’ve cashed in


My valuation of the trade you have there is essentially a 1st, three 3rds, two 2nds for Schenn and Horvat @ 50% (as a rental). Horvat as a rental (if you can fit him in at full pay) should be somewhere in the Roster player (just to plug a hole ei Kerfoot here), Upper tier prospect, 1st round pick (maaaaybe a little bit more) then with retention add a 3rd.

Kerfoot, Roni, '24 1st, '23 3rd for Horvat @ 50% is going to be one of the better offers they'll receive imo. That leaves Topi + '25 3rd for Schenn which is a little premium for my taste. This offer is nothing to scoff at but if it were to happen and not pan out for TOR then it hurts even more.

You're not too far off the more I look at it but an extension for Horvat @ a reasonable AAV would make this a no brainer for TOR imo. As a rental this trade favours VAN.
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4 déc. 2022 à 10 h 49
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I'd rather Engvall was a prospect instead. If Hawks aren't offered a 2023 2nd by another team, they accept
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What leverage does the Canucks have when all their players want out? BAHAHA, he is good as gone next season and the only offers that they would take are low-balls. Canucks don't have to trade him but they will lose him for nothing which I would like to see as well LOL


Oh no! The leafs won’t pay for Horvat! I guess the Canucks will have to move on to the other half of the league that will likely want a centre who dominates in the faceoff dot and is top 5 in scoring and will likely hit 40 goals this year
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Oh no! The leafs won’t pay for Horvat! I guess the Canucks will have to move on to the other half of the league that will likely want a centre who dominates in the faceoff dot and is top 5 in scoring and will likely hit 40 goals this year


Leaving the moron behind for a minute that you’re replying to, Rentals don’t get that much better than what my trade is proposing even then it’s an overpay
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While I would agree, I doubt teams will be that willing to move their 2023 1st. It has been something extremely coveted by teams early this season so it really depends on who you get the offer from if you even do get a 2023 1st knowing how stacked it is, a pick in the 28-30’s isn’t that important unless a catastrophic collapse (Florida)


to play devil's advocate, Florida is a cautionary tale and probably why if I'm Toronto I might be fine leaning towards a slam dunk late-20s first in this year's draft over next year's. Matt Murray has been good but we know he's just one false move away from another 4 months on LTIR, plus there's potentially a ton of turnover happening (I count 5 everyday forwards and 1 top-4 D as pending UFAs, and you know they're not *all* coming back), so there's a non-zero chance that the Leafs are a worse squad next year.
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My valuation of the trade you have there is essentially a 1st, three 3rds, two 2nds for Schenn and Horvat 50% (as a rental). Horvat as a rental (if you can fit him in at full pay) should be somewhere in the Roster player (just to plug a hole ei Kerfoot here), Upper tier prospect, 1st round pick (maaaaybe a little bit more) then with retention add a 3rd.

Kerfoot, Roni, '24 1st, '23 3rd for Horvat 50% is going to be one of the better offers they'll receive imo. That leaves Topi + '25 3rd for Schenn which is a little premium for my taste. This offer is nothing to scoff at but if it were to happen and not pan out for TOR then it hurts even more.

You're not too far off the more I look at it but an extension for Horvat a reasonable AAV would make this a no brainer for TOR imo. As a rental this trade favours VAN.


If he were to take something around 6-7 with the cap moving up its possible but highly unlikely, He wouldn’t want to he a 3C for the rest of his career but who knows, If he wins a cup it could sway him then again if we win a cup no one cares if he walks cause it makes the trade an instant win
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4 déc. 2022 à 12 h 3
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Leaving the moron behind for a minute that you’re replying to, Rentals don’t get that much better than what my trade is proposing even then it’s an overpay


I think it’s around fair but I think Vancouver pushes hard for that first to be 2023. Who knows though. Horvat is among the leagues best at scoring right now so I could see him fetching a huge return
4 déc. 2022 à 12 h 12
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I think it’s around fair but I think Vancouver pushes hard for that first to be 2023. Who knows though. Horvat is among the leagues best at scoring right now so I could see him fetching a huge return


I understand that but that’s usually not how Trades Go, You can have High Hopes but chances are the trade will be much more Underwhelming then you think, No offence but Nucks fans did the same last year with JT Miller expecting ludicrous returns instead of more realistic ones
& that was for a guy with Term. Horvat has non & the only teams interested in acquiring him are trying to compete rn, so i doubt they fork out too much especially with Toews & Kane on the market as well
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