Take Zaitsev out of that deal and I think Philly still says no.


Formenton has zero value. lassi is only performing average.



For dumping Zaitsev and getting Provy, it’s easily starting with a first or a prospect like Grieg

Ottawa isn't making the playoffs, So no reason to give up that much for Ivan Provorov.

Hmm. You want a radioactive potential sex offender, an almost 9M cap dump, an RD who is falling out of "prospect" age and can't make the Sens roster despite them being thirsty for an RD and a coupla 2nds for Provy with max retention? You can do so much better. And if you are actually willing to take a fair sized contract back (read: Leddy or Krug) without too much fuss, you can probably keep the retention and get a far better offer from the Blues, among others.

Ottawa says "Thank you, Come again".

What are you talking about??

Ottawa acquiring a guy like Provorov who then gives Ottawa another D man who can play 25 mins a night could significant help Ottawa turn their season around.

Apparently I like to repeatedly say Ottawa….

**** man, if Provorov is available, the Ducks can match or beat that offer and we don't want the retention.

Formenton has a lot of value IF his name gets cleared, which we absolutely have no idea if it will happen or not as of now.

That said, I have no idea why people keep inserting him in proposals, makes absolute no sense. He doesn't exist for now...



Sens have ZERO NEED to dump Zaitsev. They don't need cap space now and Zaitsev is in the AHL

His situation is a copy/paste from Del Zotto last season, who was in the AHL then got bought out in the summer

Easy buyout next offseason (particularly if the cap rises), they won't need to spend a single asset. It will only cost 1.67 M$ spread over 2 years

They also have ZERO NEED for a LD like Provorov. Sens have Chabot and Sanderson who could literally play the 60 minutes. Even Brannstrom has been progressing really well

Ottawa wouldn't be looking to make that deal. They also have no desire to trade Greig who wasn't available in the Chychrun saga

If you take Zaitsev off Ottawa's hands, you could probably ransom them for a first. Also, you don't want to touch Formenton, unless Ottawa offers you a massive deal to take the future PR nightmare off their hands.

Other than that, you're asking too much for JVR, and too little for Konecny.

Overall, good job. 😁

Who do you trade, sit or play off-position between Chabot, Sanderson and Provorov?

This wouldn't be a good idea, allowing cap all on the same side. It's like having two 8 M$ goalies


This is easy :

- buyout Zaitsev next off-season

- wait to see what happens with Formenton, so keep him until then. His trade value is frozen at the moment anyway

- keep the assets for the right player. Or just trade DeBrincat for a RHD and sign a LWer in the off-season (if Formenton doesn't come back)



This makes ZERO sense. Formenton doesn't have a contract right now, they don't have to do anything.

If Tampa can win back to back cups with Hedman/McDonagh/Sergachev, Ottawa can make the playoffs with Chabot/Provorov/Sanderson.

And Philly is retaining half his salary until 2025.

And we don't have to buy out Zaitsev.

This is way too good to pass up.

In 2020-21, for example, Sergachev played with Hedman 17.6% of his ES shifts, 11.5% with McDonagh

In the playoffs, 25.5% with Hedman, 9.2% with McDonagh

But as long as one of the 3 guys are not too bad on their off-season, this is manageable. I feel like Sanderson would be as good on RD

Chabot - Sanderson
Provorov - Zub
Brannstrom - JBD
Holden


Remove Formenton (can't be traded at the moment), switch one of the 2nd for a 1st. The package would be :

2024 1st round pick (OTT)
2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
Thomson, Lassi
Zaitsev, Nikita

Still brutal for Philly. Eating Zaitsev alone would cost a 23 1st. So really no better than two 2nds in value for Provy.

Find a different home for JVR…can’t afford him and he wouldn’t have a good role with the Canes.

Ottawa doesn't need to dump Zaitsev, if the Flyers want to paid for taking him then remove him completely from the deal. He will be bought out next summer no matter what and from whoever get him (cheap 1.67 M$ spread over 2 years). No big deal for any team who will have the cap space, which should be the Flyers case as JVR deal expires, Ellis stay on LTIR and by trading Provorov (and other vets?)


I don't think he's what the Sens need so I wouldn't personally make that trade but I am following the idea of this ACGM

Here's Provorov card of the last 3 years :



Not good on special teams or at EV defense. And it's not because he's particularly deployed in shutdown mode

I don't think he'd be worth a TON in a trade but still this package is very valuable :

2024 1st round pick (OTT)
2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
Thomson, Lassi

Edmonton declines. You aren't close.

Maybe Ottawa doesn't need to dump Zaitsev, but I'm just operating off the premise of the AGM. And yes, Provy struggled the last couple seasons, but he's back to his normal quality this season. Also, these player card stats you mention are on-ice, so it's not like he's solely responsible for the Flyers' crapulence the last two seasons. As for your final offer, I know quantity over quality offers are the rage around here, but they're usually not realistic.

Agree in general



Ok but this is not really "quantity", these 3 pieces are all quality...

A 1st is a 1st, always very valuable and you never know how high can it land. A 2nd is also a good piece, could be top-40 if the Sens don't turn things around. And Thomson, while people think a prospect who isn't tearing the NHL just after being drafted is not good, has been drafted just a bit over 3 years ago... He just turned 22, which is nothing outrageous for a D-man. He is still developing and certain parts of his game are already good NHL quality

This is a first and AT LEAST 2 early 2nds

1 - All firsts are not created equal, and I think you know that, which is why you prefer to give a 24 1st over a 23 1st. Right?

2 - Again, Thompson is an RD who can barely get a game with the Sens, who are crying out for an RD. He's not a bust yet, but he'll be careening toward that status if he isn't a regular by this time next year.

Most importantly, you act as if Ottawa are the only team in the league. This offer is the definition of quantity over quality, and would likely be beaten easily.

1- yes but you know that 2023 first is untouchable. They wouldn't trade it for Provorov. Well unless they start having massive win streaks, then maybe at the deadline. But they won't have a good enough record by then to risk trading that pick.

2- "who can barely get a game with the Sens" means nothing and has not meant anything for Ottawa in years. So far they just have the desire to get out of the rebuild. Thomson has only played 94 games in the AHL (over 0.5 PPG) and already 18 in the NHL so yes he had stints. But why do you think they didn't rush any of Norris, Batherson, Formenton, JBD, etc? They have had the LUXURY to cook their prospects in the AHL as long as they wished.

People were saying this same (non-valid) argument last year about JBD. He looked good this year but unfortauntely got injured. I'm not a big Thomson fan but think he'll still be a NHL player. He has looked very good at times, but not 100% NHL ready, simple as that. You can't make scouting reports by opening hockeydb.com...

Finally, Sens are not "crying out for a RD", they are crying out for TOP pairing RHD. None of Hamonic, Zaitsev, JBD, Thomson or even Guenette can be that at this point in time. Zub can be with Chabot but he's also needed on the other 2 pairings. Sanderson the 20 y/o rookie is carrying Hamonic into respectability. He is that good

3- lol not at all, I'm not "acting" in any way, I am just discussing trade value here. You have the right to have your opinion, it's ok I don't mind it but I don't have to agree with everything. I disagree that this is quantity. It is a FUTURES return, this is not a "hockey trade" where a player is traded for another one.

I wouldn't even do this trade so I really don't mind if anybody wants to beat it easily. I would have let anybody beat my Chiarot offer easily too.