SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

Timo and Reims

Créé par: Kjell_Forsman
Équipe: 2022-23 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 26 nov. 2022
Publié: 27 nov. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
SJS
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Moldenhauer, Nicholas [Liste de réserve]
  3. Niemelä, Topi
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
TOR
  1. Bonino, Nick (1 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Meier, Timo (3 000 000 $ retained)
2.
SJS
  1. Maltsev, Mikhail
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (COL)
COL
  1. Reimer, James (1 100 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
Logo de SJS
Logo de TOR
Logo de SJS
Logo de CAR
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de CBJ
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de VAN
2024
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de VGK
Logo de COL
Logo de SJS
Logo de COL
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
2025
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $78 099 168 $0 $250 000 $4 400 832 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
6 750 000 $6 750 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
4 725 000 $4 725 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
950 000 $950 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
850 000 $850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
800 000 $800 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
835 000 $835 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
775 000 $775 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
762 500 $762 500 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
856 667 $856 667 $
DD
RFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
850 000 $850 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C
UFA - 3
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance250 000 $$250K)
DG/DD
UFA - 1

Code d'intégration

  • Pour afficher cette équipe sur un autre site Web ou blog, ajoutez ce iFrame à la page appropriée
  • Personnalisez les dimensions dans le code IFrame ci-dessous pour adapter votre site de manière appropriée. Minimum recommandé: 400px.

Texte intégré

Cliquer pour surligner
27 nov. 2022 à 0 h 16
#1
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2015
Messages: 20,030
Mentions "j'aime": 12,187
hard no by the avs. They have one of the top goalie tandems in the league,
TJTwolf a aimé ceci.
27 nov. 2022 à 0 h 17
#2
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 39,601
Mentions "j'aime": 18,155
Moldenhauer is a great story.
27 nov. 2022 à 0 h 17
#3
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2019
Messages: 8,025
Mentions "j'aime": 3,569
I would want better returns on both trades honestly.
27 nov. 2022 à 0 h 21
#4
Démarrer sujet
BORDEGOD
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2022
Messages: 1,310
Mentions "j'aime": 490
Quoting: glarson17
I would want better returns on both trades honestly.


Moldenhauer is pretty good. He was a high 2nd on my chart last draft. Not elite but definitely nhl material one day.
glarson17 a aimé ceci.
27 nov. 2022 à 0 h 22
#5
Démarrer sujet
BORDEGOD
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2022
Messages: 1,310
Mentions "j'aime": 490
Quoting: coga16
hard no by the avs. They have one of the top goalie tandems in the league,


You really think Georgiev will hold strong all season? Lol i don't see it.
27 nov. 2022 à 0 h 28
#6
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2015
Messages: 20,030
Mentions "j'aime": 12,187
Quoting: Kjell_Forsman
You really think Georgiev will hold strong all season? Lol i don't see it.


you think James reimer is going to be an upgrade, I dont see it

Every time avs get a goalie other fan bases say no way they will win with them in net, and every time what happens, they win with them in net. Maybe it's time to not doubt one of the top front offices and coaching staffs in the league when it come to player evals.

Georgiev is a good goalie
Xqb15a, TJTwolf et MeetYourMakar a aimé ceci.
27 nov. 2022 à 1 h 1
#7
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2019
Messages: 8,025
Mentions "j'aime": 3,569
Quoting: coga16
you think James reimer is going to be an upgrade, I dont see it

Every time avs get a goalie other fan bases say no way they will win with them in net, and every time what happens, they win with them in net. Maybe it's time to not doubt one of the top front offices and coaching staffs in the league when it come to player evals.

Georgiev is a good goalie


It certainly helps when they are one of the most loaded teams ever. Winning with a bad goalie in net is possible when you put up enough goals. Hence Kuemper last year with the .900 in the playoffs.
Xqb15a a aimé ceci.
27 nov. 2022 à 1 h 12
#8
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2015
Messages: 20,030
Mentions "j'aime": 12,187
Quoting: glarson17
It certainly helps when they are one of the most loaded teams ever. Winning with a bad goalie in net is possible when you put up enough goals. Hence Kuemper last year with the .900 in the playoffs.


You just made that assumption he’s a by product and haven’t watched him play on he avs
TJTwolf a aimé ceci.
27 nov. 2022 à 1 h 55
#9
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: août 2020
Messages: 11,256
Mentions "j'aime": 8,898
Quoting: glarson17
It certainly helps when they are one of the most loaded teams ever. Winning with a bad goalie in net is possible when you put up enough goals. Hence Kuemper last year with the .900 in the playoffs.


Georgiev has been a rock this year. I didn’t watch him last year (not a Rangers fan) but positioning, rebound control and his glove have all been super spot on. He has an .833 QS% and it’s not because he is making a bunch of lucky sprawling saves.
TJTwolf a aimé ceci.
27 nov. 2022 à 2 h 3
#10
Démarrer sujet
BORDEGOD
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2022
Messages: 1,310
Mentions "j'aime": 490
Quoting: Xqb15a
Georgiev has been a rock this year. I didn’t watch him last year (not a Rangers fan) but positioning, rebound control and his glove have all been super spot on. He has an .833 QS% and it’s not because he is making a bunch of lucky sprawling saves.


It's a small sample size. His numbers look good because of the team in front of him. Not a problem if Reimer isn't your need but come playoff time i do not see Georgiev backstopping colorado to another cup. He simply isn't that good.
27 nov. 2022 à 5 h 10
#11
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2022
Messages: 8,566
Mentions "j'aime": 3,319
Modifié 27 nov. 2022 à 5 h 16
Quoting: Kjell_Forsman
It's a small sample size. His numbers look good because of the team in front of him. Not a problem if Reimer isn't your need but come playoff time i do not see Georgiev backstopping colorado to another cup. He simply isn't that good.


Georgiev was a promising young goalie in NYR and did well in his first few years, so he has the tools to be a good goalie. He fell off and was known to need a change of scenery for like 2 years and he's finally gotten it, so it's no surprise that it's working out so far.

After the 2018-19 season, Georgiev looked he was going to be the guy to replace Lundqvist. However, Lundqvist didn't head out until after the 2019-20 season, which is the same season that Shesterkin showed up on the scene, he only played a few games but looked very promising. So there were no guarantee that the starter job would be Georgiev's in the 2020-21 season, he may have fumbled his opportunity or maybe Shesterkin was just better either way, he went from looking like he had the chance to be the starter to being stuck behind a younger goalie So, his name was out there in the rumor mill, and Shesterkin only got better the next year winning the Vezina and he only did worse. Must be hard for a goalie, being stuck behind one goalie because he is royalty in the organization and then being outplayed by a younger goalie after the first is gone.

I'm probably oversimplifying what happened based off the stats and what I vaguely remember but here are the numbers:
2018-19:
Lundqvist 52GP 18-23-10 .907
Georgiev 33GP (30GS) 14-13-4 .914

2019-20:
Lundqvist 30GP (26GS) 10-12-3 .905 (I think he just played less than Georgiev due to injury)
Georgiev 34GP (32GS) 17-14-2 .910
Shesterkin 12GP 10-2-0 .932

Play-in
Lundqvist 2GP 0-2-0 .901
Shesterkin 1GP 0-1-0 .900

Lundqvist gets bought out

2020-21 (Shesterkin takes and secures the starting job)
Shesterkin 35GP(31GS) 16-14-3 .916
Georgiev 19GP (18GS) 8-7-2 .905
Kinkaid played 9 games but not really relevant
2021-22 (Shesterkin was the obvious front runner with above .940 save% and ridiculous saves above expected; he goes on to win the Vezina as we all know)
Georgiev 33GP(28GS) 15-10-2 .898

Through out that season it probably sunk in for Georgiev that he won't even ever be a 1B, let alone a starter, in NY, if he was unsure about it from before.

2022-23 (after finally getting moved since being in the rumor mill since 2019)
Georgiev 9-2-1 .929

Of course, it helps playing behind a good defense and strong team overall, but so does regaining confidence. There's no reason to dismiss him as not being good or to think that Reimer is an upgrade over him. Will he backstop them to another Stanley Cup? Maybe, maybe not, but it doesn't mean it will be his fault either if he doesn't.
TJTwolf a aimé ceci.
27 nov. 2022 à 10 h 17
#12
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2015
Messages: 1,092
Mentions "j'aime": 220
I know this thread has essentially become James Riemer vs the Colorado Avalanche but I'll throw my hat into the Ring as a Leafs fan and say that I'd do that first trade.
NotDougWilson a aimé ceci.
27 nov. 2022 à 10 h 48
#13
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2015
Messages: 20,030
Mentions "j'aime": 12,187
Quoting: GMBL
Georgiev was a promising young goalie in NYR and did well in his first few years, so he has the tools to be a good goalie. He fell off and was known to need a change of scenery for like 2 years and he's finally gotten it, so it's no surprise that it's working out so far.

After the 2018-19 season, Georgiev looked he was going to be the guy to replace Lundqvist. However, Lundqvist didn't head out until after the 2019-20 season, which is the same season that Shesterkin showed up on the scene, he only played a few games but looked very promising. So there were no guarantee that the starter job would be Georgiev's in the 2020-21 season, he may have fumbled his opportunity or maybe Shesterkin was just better either way, he went from looking like he had the chance to be the starter to being stuck behind a younger goalie So, his name was out there in the rumor mill, and Shesterkin only got better the next year winning the Vezina and he only did worse. Must be hard for a goalie, being stuck behind one goalie because he is royalty in the organization and then being outplayed by a younger goalie after the first is gone.

I'm probably oversimplifying what happened based off the stats and what I vaguely remember but here are the numbers:
2018-19:
Lundqvist 52GP 18-23-10 .907
Georgiev 33GP (30GS) 14-13-4 .914

2019-20:
Lundqvist 30GP (26GS) 10-12-3 .905 (I think he just played less than Georgiev due to injury)
Georgiev 34GP (32GS) 17-14-2 .910
Shesterkin 12GP 10-2-0 .932

Play-in
Lundqvist 2GP 0-2-0 .901
Shesterkin 1GP 0-1-0 .900

Lundqvist gets bought out

2020-21 (Shesterkin takes and secures the starting job)
Shesterkin 35GP(31GS) 16-14-3 .916
Georgiev 19GP (18GS) 8-7-2 .905
Kinkaid played 9 games but not really relevant
2021-22 (Shesterkin was the obvious front runner with above .940 save% and ridiculous saves above expected; he goes on to win the Vezina as we all know)
Georgiev 33GP(28GS) 15-10-2 .898

Through out that season it probably sunk in for Georgiev that he won't even ever be a 1B, let alone a starter, in NY, if he was unsure about it from before.

2022-23 (after finally getting moved since being in the rumor mill since 2019)
Georgiev 9-2-1 .929

Of course, it helps playing behind a good defense and strong team overall, but so does regaining confidence. There's no reason to dismiss him as not being good or to think that Reimer is an upgrade over him. Will he backstop them to another Stanley Cup? Maybe, maybe not, but it doesn't mean it will be his fault either if he doesn't.


and there is data out there that shows Georgievs numbers when he has increased work load or not. When he has increased play and work load his numbers are better, hes not a goalie who gets 20 or less starts as a back up that he was getting in NYR with Igor in front of him.

And the heat maps show that he mainly he was letting in goals downlow and in tight, so as high danger shots as you can get. IF gallant and his poor defensive system was leading him out to dry more often than not with shots from the home run area, his numbers wont be as great bc of that combined with the small work load.

It was a risk for the avs to get him, but all the data was there to make a reasonable risk assessment that this goalie has potential. We arent even getting to the fact he is an athletic goalie compared to keumper and grubbie, you cant teach that. Some of his pushes to go cross crease are impressive.
GMBL a aimé ceci.
27 nov. 2022 à 11 h 15
#14
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2022
Messages: 8,566
Mentions "j'aime": 3,319
Quoting: coga16
and there is data out there that shows Georgievs numbers when he has increased work load or not. When he has increased play and work load his numbers are better, hes not a goalie who gets 20 or less starts as a back up that he was getting in NYR with Igor in front of him.

And the heat maps show that he mainly he was letting in goals downlow and in tight, so as high danger shots as you can get. IF gallant and his poor defensive system was leading him out to dry more often than not with shots from the home run area, his numbers wont be as great bc of that combined with the small work load.

It was a risk for the avs to get him, but all the data was there to make a reasonable risk assessment that this goalie has potential. We arent even getting to the fact he is an athletic goalie compared to keumper and grubbie, you cant teach that. Some of his pushes to go cross crease are impressive.


Yeah, the way I see it was that he was in his own head because the path to a starting job wasn't available until Lundqvist was gone and when that happened Shesterkin cut off that path. I'm sure he was at least hoping to be in a tandem but I'm guessing he fumble his opportunity or maybe it was never an option would have to ask a Rangers fan or someone who watched them on how stuff unfolded in 2020-21. The fact that Shesterkin got the nod in the play in over Georgiev suggests to me that Georgiev was the second option going into the 2020-21 season even if Shesterkin wasn't officially the starter.

The biggest risk really for Colorado was just overpaying for him if it didn't work out, but like you said the data and his ability suggested that what he needed was a change of scenery, where he could be the guy.
 
Répondre
To create a post please Login or S'inscrire
Question:
Options:
Ajouter une option
Soumettre le sondage