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When will Hutson and Beck turn pro

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Date de création initiale: 24 nov. 2022
Publié: 24 nov. 2022
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
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Lane Hutson... Man... He has a chance to be the best player drafted in 2022. Better than Slaf, Wright, Nemec and all the rest.

I was looking at Adam Fox's development at Harvard, and after his first season, he did not really progress statistically. Did he really learn anything hockey-related by spending another 2 years at Harvard, or did he simply stay because... It's Harvard.

Lane Hutson is for real. He plays in a historically harder division in the NCAA and he gets less power play time and he is blowing past Adam Fox's scoring titles. If it wasn't for Adam Fantilli taking all the spotlight, everyone would be talking about Hutson's play. He is going to put up a historic rookie season for a defensemen in the NCAA.

Beck is also quietly having an excellent D+1 season. We have quite a few players playing well in the CHL that were HuGo picks, but Beck is doing it as a 1st line Center and he's playing so well on a team that is not that strong.

Both of these players are Goal scorers. Could they both make the jump next season? Here's my 2023-24 Habs.

Here's my perspective on the rookies next season:

Beck comes in and immediately outclasses Evans. If he's at least as good as he was in the preseason this year, he's already better than Evans.

Hutson won't be able to play in the AHL, so he'll rotate in and out of the lineup in the NHL and push Harris & Xhekaj to play their best hockey.

Barron is playing well enough in the AHL to justify a callup after the TDL. My bet is he plays the last 20 games of this season in MTL and takes a full time spot next season.

Heineman may seem a bit controversial. I thought he played really well in the preseason. He has better skating and shooting than I expected. He has been injured for 2 years so it's hard to get a read on him, but I like what I've seen in the small sample size. Hope he stays healthy the rest of this year.

Ylonen has deserved a spot in MTL since the start of 2021-22 but because of the log-jam he has never been given a chance. I think he and Heineman share the status of the 13th forward and they may even force Armia out of a spot on any given night.

Richard deserves a callup. I think he challenges for Evans spot next season. Evans and Armia are both not living up to their responsibilities in the new NHL to chip in on offense while playing defense.


Notes:

Not expecting the Habs to get the kind of players in 2023 draft that can make the team in the same year

Not focused on the trades Habs will make for players with expiring contracts. I'm sure they will get the best return they can but not a top 10 pick in 2023.
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24 nov. 2022 à 9 h 41
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Nah - let Hutson and Beck progress in their respective leagues - I want them to touch the puck in all situation. There is 0 need to rush their dev.

Tanking an extra year with some vet won't hurt. Let the kids dominate elsewhere.
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Fox had 21 assists in his first 14 games as Freshman (and 2 goals I believe). I don’t think Lane is hitting those benchmarks.
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Fox had 21 assists in his first 14 games as Freshman (and 2 goals I believe). I don’t think Lane is hitting those benchmarks.


He has 6 goals in his 1st 12 games. That equals Fox's total for the year. He has fewer assists so far it's true, but he's consistently scoring and trending to have more than 40 points in his 1st season.
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Nah - let Hutson and Beck progress in their respective leagues - I want them to touch the puck in all situation. There is 0 need to rush their dev.

Tanking an extra year with some vet won't hurt. Let the kids dominate elsewhere.


Beck will either have to play in the AHL or NHL. If Beck is ready for the NHL speed, he should not be forced to languish in the AHL where the game is slower.

Hutson ... Not sure, but he looks to be outclassing the NCAA so far. Better for him to constantly be challenged rather than plateau.
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Beck will either have to play in the AHL or NHL. If Beck is ready for the NHL speed, he should not be forced to languish in the AHL where the game is slower.

Hutson ... Not sure, but he looks to be outclassing the NCAA so far. Better for him to constantly be challenged rather than plateau.


Pretty sure Beck is either NHL or OHL, no ahl.
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Pretty sure Beck is either NHL or OHL, no ahl.


Oh you're right, he's only 18!
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Pretty sure Beck is either NHL or OHL, no ahl.


No way they make him play in the OHL. He's tearing that league up right now and honestly, he was good enough to make this team out of camp last year. If he earns a spot on the WJC team and plays well... He's gonna make the Habs next year.
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Hutson is min 2 years nhl ready (physically needs to be fully developped, hopefully at least 5'11, he 5'9 rn), can take his time while barron and some other d prospect make the jump and go from there.
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Hutson is min 2 years nhl ready (physically needs to be fully developped, hopefully at least 5'11, he 5'9 rn), can take his time while barron and some other d prospect make the jump and go from there.


Thanks for the perspective. I agree that is the most likely scenario.
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Pretty sure Beck is either NHL or OHL, no ahl.


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Oh you're right, he's only 18!


He is 18 now but turns 19 in February so I believe he would be NHL or AHL but also think he can return to OHL as an over-ager
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I believe you are wrong



He is 18 now but turns 19 in February so I believe he would be NHL or AHL but also think he can return to OHL as an over-ager


He needs to be 20 to play in the AHL since he's coming from the CHL
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He needs to be 20 to play in the AHL since he's coming from the CHL


Yeah just looked it up, thanks
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How many 5'9 Dmen have been true top players in the league? Outside of guys who played a million years ago names **** like "Lefty Jackson" or "Crash O'Dooley" or whatever people were called in the original 6 era. Guys like Krug or Spurgeon are about as good as it gets and neither player were stars at their peak.
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How many 5'9 Dmen have been true top players in the league? Outside of guys who played a million years ago names **** like "Lefty Jackson" or "Crash O'Dooley" or whatever people were called in the original 6 era. Guys like Krug or Spurgeon are about as good as it gets and neither player were stars at their peak.


Do me a favor. If you have not, go and watch his 6 goals this year and tell me he's not gonna have success in the NHL. Is he a standard deviation from the mean, yes, he's a freak, but a freak in a good way!
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I believe you are wrong



He is 18 now but turns 19 in February so I believe he would be NHL or AHL but also think he can return to OHL as an over-ager


"Players drafted and playing for CHL teams are ineligible to play in the professional minor leagues (AHL, ECHL) until they are 20 years old (by December 31st of that year)"
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"Players drafted and playing for CHL teams are ineligible to play in the professional minor leagues (AHL, ECHL) until they are 20 years old (by December 31st of that year)"


Yeah I saw that and posted later to that effect but thanks for the info anyway

EDIT*** I forgot that there were different rules for players drafted out of the CHL and was thinking the AHL minimum age limit was 18 lol
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Yeah I saw that and posted later to that effect but thanks for the info anyway


Cheers my dude! I was genuinely curious as to the exact dates involved because I would have loved to see Zellweger in San Diego this year...I knew he couldn't (until his WHL season ends), but it's a shame that the rule doesn't allow exemptions.
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Cheers my dude! I was genuinely curious as to the exact dates involved because I would have loved to see Zellweger in San Diego this year...I knew he couldn't (until his WHL season ends), but it's a shame that the rule doesn't allow exemptions.


Exemptions would be the END of the CHL...
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It would be the END of the CHL...


I disagree. The amount of 19 year olds that are actually ready to play professional hockey is fairly low and would reflect in the amount of players that would inevitably be kept in the CHL. It would add a layer of development for "tweeners", and would likely affect the NCAA more than the CHL.
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Beck will either have to play in the AHL or NHL. If Beck is ready for the NHL speed, he should not be forced to languish in the AHL where the game is slower.

Hutson ... Not sure, but he looks to be outclassing the NCAA so far. Better for him to constantly be challenged rather than plateau.


i agree beck has a chance as soon as next year, but its not a lock for sure. he will have to force the habs to give him a chance and its definitly possible. hutson on the other, i dont think he will be ready. he's goy the offensive tool but he needs to work on the defensive parta the game still. give him probably another year in the ncaa and probably a season in the ahl.
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I disagree. The amount of 19 year olds that are actually ready to play professional hockey is fairly low and would reflect in the amount of players that would inevitably be kept in the CHL. It would add a layer of development for "tweeners", and would likely affect the NCAA more than the CHL.


NCAA not giving up their stranglehold on college slave labour.
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Why rush either?

Beck should be given the opportunity to dominate, Montreal should focus on moving Monahan and giving Dach a chance to run his own line, assess if they have a 2C for the future.

Hutson will need time to fill out physically, and theres no rush on LD, give him time like they are doing with Barron to build confidence through the levels, for those worrying about his height, Krug, Spurgeon, Bryson, Grzelyck, Hughes, Brannstrom, Stetcher, Aho, Addison are current players 5'10" and under.

NCAA and CHL to jump to the NHL level, physicality, and speed, and hockey IQ is a big jump, so, let them develop slowly and don't put them in a position to fail, as the Habs aren't going to be good for a while.
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Why rush either?

Beck should be given the opportunity to dominate, Montreal should focus on moving Monahan and giving Dach a chance to run his own line, assess if they have a 2C for the future.

Hutson will need time to fill out physically, and theres no rush on LD, give him time like they are doing with Barron to build confidence through the levels, for those worrying about his height, Krug, Spurgeon, Bryson, Grzelyck, Hughes, Brannstrom, Stetcher, Aho, Addison are current players 5'10" and under.

NCAA and CHL to jump to the NHL level, physicality, and speed, and hockey IQ is a big jump, so, let them develop slowly and don't put them in a position to fail, as the Habs aren't going to be good for a while.


I understand that. I was listening to an interesting perspective on a podcast with Arpon Basu and he was making what I think is a compelling point for what the Habs are doing with their rookies.

Physicality is one thing to worry about for sure, but apparently the biggest adjustment players have to make when coming to the NHL is speed of execution. They need to process the game on the ice more quickly and make decisions about the right at to make. It's not something you can replicate at any level, not the NCAA/CHL, AHL, Europe...

I feel Hutson is already processing the game at a faster pace than others in the NCAA. You have to to be able to dangle and pivot the way he is. The quicker he gets exposed to the NHL pace of play, the more they can take advantage of his development years to maximize his prime.

To be clear, it's not the speed at which players are skating that is the big adjustment, it's the speed at which they assess and make decisions.
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I understand that. I was listening to an interesting perspective on a podcast with Arpon Basu and he was making what I think is a compelling point for what the Habs are doing with their rookies.

Physicality is one thing to worry about for sure, but apparently the biggest adjustment players have to make when coming to the NHL is speed of execution. They need to process the game on the ice more quickly and make decisions about the right at to make. It's not something you can replicate at any level, not the NCAA/CHL, AHL, Europe...

I feel Hutson is already processing the game at a faster pace than others in the NCAA. You have to to be able to dangle and pivot the way he is. The quicker he gets exposed to the NHL pace of play, the more they can take advantage of his development years to maximize his prime.

To be clear, it's not the speed at which players are skating that is the big adjustment, it's the speed at which they assess and make decisions.


absolutely, but by placing a young player in a position of weakness for the team, and while the team is building towards a solid future can expose a player.

The speed to assess and make decisions, is ultimately tied to confidence, expose a player too early, and ruin their development, and it's a lost piece.

Let them develop this season at the CHL/NCAA, then let them sit a year as an overager or AHL ready if possible, and develop at the next level.

Montreal is in no need to rush their prospects, Beck and Hutson making the team next year won't change they are still outside the playoffs, they aren't going to be impactful enough to change those results, so, why burn a year of ELC, and why risk their development?

It's cute to try to push into "rebuild is over" mode, but that might not be the best thing for the habs future.
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absolutely, but by placing a young player in a position of weakness for the team, and while the team is building towards a solid future can expose a player.

The speed to assess and make decisions, is ultimately tied to confidence, expose a player too early, and ruin their development, and it's a lost piece.

Let them develop this season at the CHL/NCAA, then let them sit a year as an overager or AHL ready if possible, and develop at the next level.

Montreal is in no need to rush their prospects, Beck and Hutson making the team next year won't change they are still outside the playoffs, they aren't going to be impactful enough to change those results, so, why burn a year of ELC, and why risk their development?

It's cute to try to push into "rebuild is over" mode, but that might not be the best thing for the habs future.


I getcha! 2025-26 is the Habs year!
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