SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/NHL Trades

(ARI/TOR) - Timmins for Douglas

Who won the trade?
Le graphique a été masqué

Options de sondage


23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 22
#1
Trade confirmed: Arizona Coyotes - Toronto Maple Leafs
Détails de la transaction
Les Coyotes de l'Arizona font l’acquisition de:
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
Curtis Douglas · 0 $837 500 $80 000 $ (LAH/JR)
Somme: 0 $837 500 $80 000 $
Variation: -850 000 $
Variation: -12 500 $
Variation: -870 000 $
Les Maple Leafs de Toronto font l’acquisition de:
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
Conor Timmins · 850 000 $850 000 $950 000 $
Somme: 850 000 $850 000 $950 000 $
Variation: +850 000 $
Variation: +12 500 $
Variation: +870 000 $
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 24
#2
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: oct. 2021
Messages: 3,507
Mentions "j'aime": 783
Huge add for the Coyotes, Douglas is a 6'9" mammoth who plays hard and physical. Will throw his weight around and will add a locker room presence. When games get physical, he will address the situations when needed

Leafs add in another puck moving defensemen that doesn't defend and can't be physical (Tyson Barrie). Embarrassing trade from Dubas' end especially after losing guys like Kadri, Mason Marchment, and Hyman

My vote goes to Arizona
Wqrrior, Andy_Dick, Boubou79 and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 24
#3
sensonfire
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2021
Messages: 11,614
Mentions "j'aime": 4,383
When healthy, Conor Timmins is a NHL player.

When healthy, Curtis Douglas is an AHL player.


That's all you need to know.


The Toronto Maple Leafs win the trade.
Faulk_my_Dzingel, leafsFan1996, Saskleaf and 15 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 25
#4
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: oct. 2017
Messages: 416
Mentions "j'aime": 160
Quoting: Babatunde
Huge add for the Coyotes, Douglas is a 6'9" mammoth who plays hard and physical. Will throw his weight around and will add a locker room presence. When games get physical, he will address the situations when needed

Leafs add in another puck moving defensemen that doesn't defend and can't play physical (Tyson Barrie). Embarrassing trade from Dubas' end especially after losing guys like Kadri, Mason Marchment, and Hyman

My vote goes to Arizona


this is some Hockey DB scouting if I've ever seen it
NorthernLeafsFan05, Faulk_my_Dzingel, PraVin26 and 14 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 25
#5
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: oct. 2022
Messages: 968
Mentions "j'aime": 362
I hate the Maple leaf's as they are my least favorite team, but, leaf's wins this by a landslide
Faulk_my_Dzingel, Saskleaf, BCAPP and 6 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 25
#6
Smythe.over.Hart
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2019
Messages: 3,032
Mentions "j'aime": 2,348
I can't see how adding NHL depth by trading someone who is very unlikely to make the NHL is an issue. If Curtis Douglas becomes the next Mason Marchment, good for him.
Saskleaf, Wqrrior, BCAPP and 7 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 26
#7
Amirov Forever
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mars 2022
Messages: 6,375
Mentions "j'aime": 5,864
Fantastic deal for the Leafs. Let's not forget, Timmins isn't far removed from being the main player going back in the Kuemper deal. Douglas, although massive, brings little to the table and has been invisible with the Marlies this season.

We essentially trade an AHLer for an NHL RHD, which is a hot commodity nowadays. That being said, Douglas will put up 20 in Arizona
Faulk_my_Dzingel, Saskleaf, drewjenkins and 4 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 27
#8
Amirov Forever
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mars 2022
Messages: 6,375
Mentions "j'aime": 5,864
Quoting: leafsFan1996
this is some Hockey DB scouting if I've ever seen it


Don't do HockeyDB like that
Saskleaf, thelastlongbow, drewjenkins and 2 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 31
#9
Jinx god
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: sept. 2019
Messages: 10,201
Mentions "j'aime": 13,729
6mhfcz.jpg
GiggywithGibby, Wqrrior, myboykole and 23 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 31
#10
Go leafs go
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: avr. 2020
Messages: 13,179
Mentions "j'aime": 9,152
Win for the leafs, Timmins is solid NHL depth with upside and Douglas is a 4th line ahl player.
thelastlongbow, drewjenkins, leafs101 and 2 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 33
#11
torontos finest
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2019
Messages: 9,546
Mentions "j'aime": 11,169
Quoting: Babatunde
Huge add for the Coyotes, Douglas is a 6'9" mammoth who plays hard and physical. Will throw his weight around and will add a locker room presence. When games get physical, he will address the situations when needed

Leafs add in another puck moving defensemen that doesn't defend and can't be physical (Tyson Barrie). Embarrassing trade from Dubas' end especially after losing guys like Kadri, Mason Marchment, and Hyman

My vote goes to Arizona


cool post

completely unrelated:


Ritzy, pinslack, thelastlongbow and 7 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 33
#12
Leafs Sufferer
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2019
Messages: 4,073
Mentions "j'aime": 3,511
Quoting: Babatunde
Huge add for the Coyotes, Douglas is a 6'9" mammoth who plays hard and physical. Will throw his weight around and will add a locker room presence. When games get physical, he will address the situations when needed

Leafs add in another puck moving defensemen that doesn't defend and can't be physical (Tyson Barrie). Embarrassing trade from Dubas' end especially after losing guys like Kadri, Mason Marchment, and Hyman

My vote goes to Arizona


Don't you get tired of this? It's really sad.
thelastlongbow, drewjenkins, MatthewsFan and 3 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 34
#13
Leafs Sufferer
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2019
Messages: 4,073
Mentions "j'aime": 3,511
Quoting: mondo
cool post

completely unrelated:




Thank you so much for this.
thelastlongbow, drewjenkins, leafs101 and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 35
#14
Future Ducks legend
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2022
Messages: 9,287
Mentions "j'aime": 6,048
Quoting: EsoYeezus69
6mhfcz.jpg


Steve Dangle is going to have a field day with this.

Probably the right move for Toronto, depth piece that fills a gap until Reilly is back, I expect they likely add a higher pedigree D nearer the deadline, but they got Timmins for basically nothing. Not the flashy trade the hockey gossip world was hoping for, but they can't all be blockbuster trades.
myboykole, drewjenkins, EsoYeezus69 and 2 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 39
#15
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: oct. 2021
Messages: 3,507
Mentions "j'aime": 783
Quoting: mondo
cool post

completely unrelated:




You think a response is allowed in Toronto? He would just end up like Simmonds, on waivers. According to Dubas' rulebook, you can't fight or hit, it's not allowed. Marchment wasn't allowed to do it and when he did, he was traded. Hyman wasn't allowed to do it so he walked. Lyubushkin was throwing some big hits and Dubas thought he was a puck moving defensemen from his scouting report, so he wasn't re-signed
Wqrrior, Newgod77 et Andy_Dick a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 39
#16
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2019
Messages: 10,250
Mentions "j'aime": 3,963
Quoting: Nathaniel
Fantastic deal for the Leafs. Let's not forget, Timmins isn't far removed from being the main player going back in the Kuemper deal. Douglas, although massive, brings little to the table and has been invisible with the Marlies this season.

We essentially trade an AHLer for an NHL RHD, which is a hot commodity nowadays. That being said, Douglas will put up 20 in Arizona


I think the Coyotes would view the first as the main piece of that trade, however I can't disagree that Timmins used to be a really admirable prospect that I thought would thrive in Arizona. It's a shame his health has been so poor.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 40
#17
torontos finest
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2019
Messages: 9,546
Mentions "j'aime": 11,169
Quoting: Babatunde
You think a response is allowed in Toronto? He would just end up like Simmonds, on waivers. According to Dubas' rulebook, you can't fight or hit, it's not allowed. Marchment wasn't allowed to do it and when he did, he was traded. Hyman wasn't allowed to do it so he walked. Lyubushkin was throwing some big hits and Dubas thought he was a puck moving defensemen from his scouting report, so he wasn't re-signed


love to say words and sentences and hope they mean something
Ritzy, A_Habs_fan, thelastlongbow and 5 others a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 41
#18
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2019
Messages: 10,250
Mentions "j'aime": 3,963
Quoting: Babatunde
You think a response is allowed in Toronto? He would just end up like Simmonds, on waivers. According to Dubas' rulebook, you can't fight or hit, it's not allowed. Marchment wasn't allowed to do it and when he did, he was traded. Hyman wasn't allowed to do it so he walked. Lyubushkin was throwing some big hits and Dubas thought he was a puck moving defensemen from his scouting report, so he wasn't re-signed


While I think this report picks and choses points a bit (Lybushkin wasn't needed, leafs had no cap space for Hyman), this does look like a low end Marchment situation. It's funny how the leafs constantly need a response but then when they have the perfect players to provide it, they quickly find their way out of the lineup.
Brad_Treliving a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 42
#19
Do Bap
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: août 2022
Messages: 528
Mentions "j'aime": 164
I'm going to say fair trade, because Timmins is the better player, and guy like Douglas could make a rebuilding team like the Coyotes a lot more fun to watch.

I also think Douglas can make the NHL in a few years once he develops the skating ability, as it takes guys that size longer to do so. Which is why Chara kept getting better throughout his 30s.
Wqrrior, drewjenkins, capfriendlyaccount and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 45
#20
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: oct. 2021
Messages: 3,507
Mentions "j'aime": 783
Quoting: Wqrrior
While I think this report picks and choses points a bit (Lybushkin wasn't needed, leafs had no cap space for Hyman), this does look like a low end Marchment situation. It's funny how the leafs constantly need a response but then when they have the perfect players to provide it, they quickly find their way out of the lineup.


Yup, that's how Dubas operates and thinks you can win this way. You think Wahlstrom thought twice of kneeing Matthews? He did it the first time and will be happy to do it a second time after feeding Sandin with haymakers and laughed it off in the penalty box. Malgin got dumped a couple times agains the Islanders, nothing happened. Kerfoot got laid about by Clutterbuck, nothing happened. Name a softer team
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 45
#21
Amirov Forever
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mars 2022
Messages: 6,375
Mentions "j'aime": 5,864
Quoting: Wqrrior
I think the Coyotes would view the first as the main piece of that trade, however I can't disagree that Timmins used to be a really admirable prospect that I thought would thrive in Arizona. It's a shame his health has been so poor.


Agreed, I was careful in my wording to label Timmins as the main player going to Arizona. The first was definitely the main part, but Timmins played a role in swaying AZ
Wqrrior, drewjenkins, Saskleaf and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 46
#22
torontos finest
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2019
Messages: 9,546
Mentions "j'aime": 11,169
Quoting: Wqrrior
While I think this report picks and choses points a bit (Lybushkin wasn't needed, leafs had no cap space for Hyman), this does look like a low end Marchment situation. It's funny how the leafs constantly need a response but then when they have the perfect players to provide it, they quickly find their way out of the lineup.


Douglas is years off in the best case scenario. Struggles to skate, and as evidenced by the video I posted, barely has a reaction when a goaltender is run directly in front of him. A lot of hype over him being a large boy, but he's not the same player as Marchment was. Marchment was decently productive during his Marlies tenure whereas Douglas as a point in 13 games.

Think the Leafs (and Dubas) need to start looking at more physical present players, but acting like Douglas is a massive loss is really, really, incorrect.
23 nov. 2022 à 15 h 48
#23
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: nov. 2018
Messages: 9,069
Mentions "j'aime": 2,198
Can I vote Toronto Marlies win ?

Because this is an Ahl trade.
23 nov. 2022 à 16 h 6
#24
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: oct. 2020
Messages: 12,657
Mentions "j'aime": 17,293
Toronto wins simply because Timmins is an NHL player and Douglas is an AHL player, none of them really have much of a potential
23 nov. 2022 à 16 h 16
#25
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2015
Messages: 9,379
Mentions "j'aime": 3,695
Quoting: Babatunde
Huge add for the Coyotes, Douglas is a 6'9" mammoth who plays hard and physical. Will throw his weight around and will add a locker room presence. When games get physical, he will address the situations when needed

Leafs add in another puck moving defensemen that doesn't defend and can't be physical (Tyson Barrie). Embarrassing trade from Dubas' end especially after losing guys like Kadri, Mason Marchment, and Hyman

My vote goes to Arizona


Douglas is an AHL 4th liner....
drewjenkins, Saskleaf, palhal and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
 
Répondre
To create a post please Login or S'inscrire
Question:
Options:
Chargement de l'animation
Soumettre les modifications du sondage