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Tonight We Saw The Real Habs

Créé par: OldHabsFan61
Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 22 nov. 2022
Publié: 22 nov. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
That was the team expected to see more of this year. That’s the team that has a good chance at Bedard. There’s no retool or fast rebuild. This is a process.
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Dadonov, Evgeni (2 500 000 $ retained)
2.
MTL
  1. Grans, Helge
  2. Lemieux, Brendan
  3. Wagner, Austin
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (LAK)
LAK
  1. Edmundson, Joel (500 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Edmundson is a good fit for the kind of LHD LA needs. He’s a veteran who is best staying at home.
3.
MTL
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
TOR
  1. Monahan, Sean (3 175 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $75 705 832 $1 132 500 $5 277 500 $6 794 168 $
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
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750 000 $750 000 $
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
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UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
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2 875 000 $2 875 000 $
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842 500 $842 500 $ (Bonis de performance507 500 $$508K)
DG/DD
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
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RFA - 3
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762 500 $762 500 $
DD
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828 333 $828 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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766 667 $766 667 $
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 4
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1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
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22 nov. 2022 à 22 h 22
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I think this is the most logical and realistic Dadanov trade I've seen yet by a habs fan.

Unfortunately I still think the Monahan assessment is ripe. While he's been a nice piece, I don't believe he's back to first round value. Certainly not a fit on the leafs either.
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22 nov. 2022 à 22 h 22
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Devils have no room for another forward...AJ is only called up to sit.
22 nov. 2022 à 22 h 22
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This would be a good TDL
I don’t understand why you aren’t retaining 1.75M on Edmundson tho
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22 nov. 2022 à 22 h 22
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Sabres had to win sometime. They were due.
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22 nov. 2022 à 22 h 22
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Unless Dadonov gets his act together fast the Devils would rather just have Johnsson
22 nov. 2022 à 22 h 23
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How come Wi-Fi and Kovacevic weren't in the lineup tonight?!
22 nov. 2022 à 22 h 25
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
How come Wi-Fi and Kovacevic weren't in the lineup tonight?!


They're rotating Wi-Fi, Harris, Wideman and Kovacevic. Last game Wideman and Harris were the scratches.
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22 nov. 2022 à 22 h 26
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Why would Jersey want to make any changes? Monahan isn't worth a fist to the Leafs, and the Leafs don't need a centre.
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22 nov. 2022 à 22 h 28
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I wonder if Yzerman is scouting Monahan? Big C with skill. I'm game. Habs would have to retain.
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22 nov. 2022 à 22 h 42
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Quoting: palhal
Why would Jersey want to make any changes? Monahan isn't worth a fist to the Leafs, and the Leafs don't need a centre.


Savard instead?
22 nov. 2022 à 23 h 5
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Sean Walker and our 2024 second for Edmundson with retention is a good idea.
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22 nov. 2022 à 23 h 24
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Quoting: palhal
Why would Jersey want to make any changes? Monahan isn't worth a fist to the Leafs, and the Leafs don't need a centre.


Jarnkrok is your 3rd centre but he also fits well as a RW. Beyond that though they really don’t have any good options for a 3rd centre.
22 nov. 2022 à 23 h 31
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Sean Walker and our 2024 second for Edmundson with retention is a good idea.


I think that would be the low end of a return for Edmundson as he's the type of big, Cup Winning, dual position, experienced, low cost D that Gms salivate over.

I think the Habs should do it! Hughes work tho dictates he will get a lot more after last TDL as Brett Kulak, a 3rd pairing D, that was in and out of the lineup, even he, got a 2nd rounder that somehow became Lane Hutson!
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22 nov. 2022 à 23 h 36
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Allen has been terrible the last few games. I dont think this team is bottom 5. It was a miracle they somehow beat the Flyers when Jake was letting in muffins all night including a faceoff goal. This is an example of how important decent goaltending means in this league! Buffalo certainly isnt good like a lot of Sabres fans were (laughingly) claiming to start the year! The funniest ones were Sabres fans claiming that they would be 20 points better than the Habs despite all the injuries. Claiming tonight is an example of anything when they got zero goaltending is more of the same nonsense.
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23 nov. 2022 à 2 h 29
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All I pray to the hockey gods for is some combination of Monahan/Hoffman/Armia/Dadanov/Drouin/Edmundson/Dvorak/Evans net us in the next 18 months some combination of oneTop 4 young RHD prospect, 1A NHL rookie G (Sorry but Primeau isn't the future), and 2 lottery picks (FLA hopefully bomb too lol).

I don't think that is too much to ask for is it ? HAHA
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23 nov. 2022 à 8 h 25
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Quoting: Super_Randy
All I pray to the hockey gods for is some combination of Monahan/Hoffman/Armia/Dadanov/Drouin/Edmundson/Dvorak/Evans net us in the next 18 months some combination of oneTop 4 young RHD prospect, 1A NHL rookie G (Sorry but Primeau isn't the future), and 2 lottery picks (FLA hopefully bomb too lol).

I don't think that is too much to ask for is it ? HAHA


I dont think you are getting much for wingers. There are too many examples in the past few years that wings are getting pennies on the dollar.
Monahan though with his resume and ability to win faceoffs, play the PP will fetch something decent. Not sure it's a 1st as you have guys like Oreilly and Horvat available, maybe. The market usually dictates the return, Chiarot being on the higher end of returns when so many teams were in on him. Edmundson probably fetches the best return. He simply checks every box and you have a half dozen teams that assuredly will outbid each other. That is the key, the demand from teams and the low supply of Joel Edmundsons.

I guarantee you Edmundson fetches a better return than Gostibehere/Klingberg for example despite their puck moving ability, both are horrendous in their own end. Their reps around the league couldnt be in more stark contrast. Gms simply think of GhostBear as soft and a loser whereas Joel is the polar opposite.
23 nov. 2022 à 8 h 27
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Quoting: OldHabsFan61
Jarnkrok is your 3rd centre but he also fits well as a RW. Beyond that though they really don’t have any good options for a 3rd centre.


Holmberg is our 3C, with Kampf playing 4C. Kampf played the 3C role most of last year and did fine. No need to seriously overpay for Monahan.
23 nov. 2022 à 8 h 42
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Quoting: Ritzy
Holmberg is our 3C, with Kampf playing 4C. Kampf played the 3C role most of last year and did fine. No need to seriously overpay for Monahan.


There’s no way you’re going through a whole season with Kampf and Holmberg. Holmberg is an AHL player. Dubas will look for another forward because it’s evident you can’t have Malgin and Holmberg every night come March and April.
23 nov. 2022 à 8 h 44
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There’s no way you’re going through a whole season with Kampf and Holmberg. Holmberg is an AHL player. Dubas will look for another forward because it’s evident you can’t have Malgin and Holmberg every night come March and April.


It's evident? We've never had Malgin and Holmberg in March and April so I'm not sure how you can come up with a claim like that.

I'm not sure if you're trying to convince me or yourself that Monahan is worth a 1st, but it certainly isn't working on me.
23 nov. 2022 à 8 h 51
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Quoting: Ritzy
It's evident? We've never had Malgin and Holmberg in March and April so I'm not sure how you can come up with a claim like that.

I'm not sure if you're trying to convince me or yourself that Monahan is worth a 1st, but it certainly isn't working on me.


At 50% retained he’s worth a 2nd. With Engvall it’s a late first.
23 nov. 2022 à 8 h 52
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At 50% retained he’s worth a 2nd. With Engvall it’s a late first.


Engvall doesn't need to be included to make the cap work at 50% retention. You won't be getting a 2nd for him. Good luck!
23 nov. 2022 à 9 h 0
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Engvall doesn't need to be included to make the cap work at 50% retention. You won't be getting a 2nd for him. Good luck!


In this flat cap era a team will overpay at the deadline to make the cap work. Look at Colorado without Kadri, still very good but not the same team. A centre is far too important to a contender.
23 nov. 2022 à 9 h 4
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Jarnkrok is your 3rd centre but he also fits well as a RW. Beyond that though they really don’t have any good options for a 3rd centre.


Sorry you haven't been watching any Leafs games for the past year or so. Kampf is has been excellent in his role. No PP time, 8 points and plus player. You could certainly argue he has been at least as good Monahan. As a Hab fan, would you give up a first for Kampf?
23 nov. 2022 à 9 h 8
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Sorry you haven't been watching any Leafs games for the past year or so. Kampf is has been excellent in his role. No PP time, 8 points and plus player. You could certainly argue he has been at least as good Monahan. As a Hab fan, would you give up a first for Kampf?


Of course not, Kampf is a cap dump (sarcasm).
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23 nov. 2022 à 9 h 12
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Of course not, Kampf is a cap dump (sarcasm).


Not that a agree with my fellow Leaf fans , or non Leaf fans on all things, , but at times it seems some CF fans think the only good players the Leaf have are Matthews, Marner and Reilly. All the rest, average to below average NHLers.
 
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