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In Desperate Need of a Center

Créé par: Ross_Johnston
Équipe: 2022-23 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 19 nov. 2022
Publié: 19 nov. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Ya'll really got KK for 8 more years

Playoff lineup
Transactions
1.
CAR
  1. Monahan, Sean (3 187 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
MTL
  1. Suzuki, Ryan
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
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CAR
  1. Horvat, Bo (2 750 000 $ retained)
  2. Schenn, Luke
VAN
  1. Gunler, Noel
  2. Kase, Ondrej
  3. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (CHI)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
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5 400 000 $5 400 000 $
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG
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UFA - 1
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1 375 000 $1 375 000 $
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UFA - 1
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
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4 820 000 $4 820 000 $
C
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3 188 000 $3 188 000 $
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
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UFA - 2
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
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UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
DG
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UFA - 3
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5 280 000 $5 280 000 $
DD
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UFA - 3
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
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UFA - 1
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5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
DG
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UFA - 2
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4 025 000 $4 025 000 $
DD
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UFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
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850 000 $850 000 $
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UFA - 1
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850 000 $850 000 $
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
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4 050 000 $4 050 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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762 500 $762 500 $
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RFA - 1

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19 nov. 2022 à 9 h 58
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Canucks pass easily
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19 nov. 2022 à 9 h 59
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Canucks pass easily


How much do you honestly think you'll get for a rental with almost no chance of re-signing with you?
19 nov. 2022 à 10 h 0
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Quoting: stephane_robidas
How much do you honestly think you'll get for a rental with almost no chance of re-signing with you?


A 2023 1st and a good prospect with retention costing another okay piece is not an insane ask
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19 nov. 2022 à 10 h 1
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How much do you honestly think you'll get for a rental with almost no chance of re-signing with you?


I wouldn't say zero chance of re-signing with us, as rental Horvat gets a 2023 1st and Good defense Prospect at minimum, out of the canes youd be probably looking at a 1st and Scott Morrow
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I wouldn't say zero chance of re-signing with us, as rental Horvat gets a 2023 1st and Good defense Prospect at minimum, out of the canes youd be probably looking at a 1st and Scott Morrow


Hell no, in no world do you get a first and one of the best defence prospects in the league for a second line center who's going to UFA. Keep holding out if you want though, he can walk in July
19 nov. 2022 à 10 h 10
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Quoting: stephane_robidas
Hell no, in no world do you get a first and one of the best defence prospects in the league for a second line center who's going to UFA. Keep holding out if you want though, he can walk in July


You do realize this second line center is 2nd in the leauge for goals, Vancouver's price will be high, Vancouver can easily re-sign him in the summer as well
19 nov. 2022 à 10 h 45
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Hell no, in no world do you get a first and one of the best defence prospects in the league for a second line center who's going to UFA. Keep holding out if you want though, he can walk in July



Dw they’ll just bet on getting a giant package like they did with JT Miller even though one outlier season won’t make someone insanely overpay for a rental, Nucks fans need to get that through their skull
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19 nov. 2022 à 11 h 28
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You do realize this second line center is 2nd in the leauge for goals, Vancouver's price will be high, Vancouver can easily re-sign him in the summer as well


Kevin Fiala was an RFA and scored 85 pts. Fiala got a 1st & top D prospect. Horvat value < Fiala value
19 nov. 2022 à 11 h 31
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I wouldn't say zero chance of re-signing with us, as rental Horvat gets a 2023 1st and Good defense Prospect at minimum, out of the canes youd be probably looking at a 1st and Scott Morrow


you could get a pretty decent prospect back but 0% chance you get morrow.
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19 nov. 2022 à 11 h 31
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Quoting: earl08
Kevin Fiala was an RFA and scored 85 pts. Fiala got a 1st & top D prospect. Horvat value < Fiala value


fiala did not get a first.
19 nov. 2022 à 11 h 53
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Quoting: stephane_robidas
Hell no, in no world do you get a first and one of the best defence prospects in the league for a second line center who's going to UFA. Keep holding out if you want though, he can walk in July


I would point to the Copp deal at last year's deadline, which was a 1st, a 2nd and Morgan Barron. I really like Andrew Copp, but he wasn't second in league goal scoring last year. If you project the Canes to draft around 25th in the round, then their first and Morrow is easily a reasonable return.

Given the seasons that both Horvat and Schenn are having, your proposal is not enough, whether they are rentals or not. Other teams will outbid you.
19 nov. 2022 à 11 h 53
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In desperate need of a center? Horvat is a good fit…but what the Canes really need is another dynamic scorer regardless of W or C. They have gotten excellent center play this year and have even seen guys like Necas play a bit of Center too.

I see this post as a troll on KK, which is old already. Guess we have 7 more years to look forward to this.
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Quoting: drambui
fiala did not get a first.


Fiala got LA's first and Brock Faber
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In desperate need of a center? Horvat is a good fit…but what the Canes really need is another dynamic scorer regardless of W or C. They have gotten excellent center play this year and have even seen guys like Necas play a bit of Center too.

I see this post as a troll on KK, which is old already. Guess we have 7 more years to look forward to this.


Yeah, 7 long years
19 nov. 2022 à 12 h 1
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Quoting: stephane_robidas
Fiala got LA's first and Brock Faber


i dont know why i was convinced it was a second + faber, thanks for clearing that up.
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19 nov. 2022 à 12 h 1
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Quoting: gordfish
I would point to the Copp deal at last year's deadline, which was a 1st, a 2nd and Morgan Barron. I really like Andrew Copp, but he wasn't second in league goal scoring last year. If you project the Canes to draft around 25th in the round, then their first and Morrow is easily a reasonable return.

Given the seasons that both Horvat and Schenn are having, your proposal is not enough, whether they are rentals or not. Other teams will outbid you.



No one is having a bidding War for Luke Schenn he isn’t a Top 4 D on a contending team, He is a 5th or 6th D at best with 1 year left & is 33. Expect a 4th to Late 3rd at best maybe even a 5th depending how teams view this draft
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19 nov. 2022 à 12 h 6
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I actually enjoy how triggered people are by the Canes and KK. If it does go really bad, you realize that buying him out is quite affordable? At 4.82 it’s far from an anchor, and if he becomes a solid 3rd line two way centerman it’s a steal. But yeah, 7 long years…

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Yeah, 7 long years
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19 nov. 2022 à 12 h 17
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I actually enjoy how triggered people are by the Canes and KK. If it does go really bad, you realize that buying him out is quite affordable? At 4.82 it’s far from an anchor, and if he becomes a solid 3rd line two way centerman it’s a steal. But yeah, 7 long years…


7 long years
19 nov. 2022 à 12 h 25
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Genuinely interested to hear your rationale behind posting that the Canes are in desperate need of a center. Would you care to share with me?

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7 long years
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Genuinely interested to hear your rationale behind posting that the Canes are in desperate need of a center. Would you care to share with me?


They have no offensive center behind Aho. Staal is elite defensively but is a 3c and KK has been outscored x2 by Stefan Noeson. Need a second line pivot that can score, otherwise they'll be bounced handily in the second round again
19 nov. 2022 à 16 h 35
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Quoting: stephane_robidas
They have no offensive center behind Aho. Staal is elite defensively but is a 3c and KK has been outscored x2 by Stefan Noeson. Need a second line pivot that can score, otherwise they'll be bounced handily in the second round again


Yeah, that was Trocheck. He wasn’t able to get it done. Besides, the increase in scoring from KK allowing Svech and Necas more offense, KK’s lack of offensive production is being covered. It’s not like the chances haven’t been there for KK, they just haven’t gone in. As long as KK continues his defensive dominance, the Canes will be just fine.
19 nov. 2022 à 16 h 37
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Yeah, that was Trocheck. He wasn’t able to get it done. Besides, the increase in scoring from KK allowing Svech and Necas more offense, KK’s lack of offensive production is being covered. It’s not like the chances haven’t been there for KK, they just haven’t gone in. As long as KK continues his defensive dominance, the Canes will be just fine.


'nother second round bounce. Need a legit no. 2
19 nov. 2022 à 18 h 57
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Ryan suzuki doesn't have so much value
19 nov. 2022 à 20 h 16
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Quoting: earl08
Kevin Fiala was an RFA and scored 85 pts. Fiala got a 1st & top D prospect. Horvat value < Fiala value


Fiala is also a winger, 2 way centers are always going to be more valued then a winger
19 nov. 2022 à 20 h 17
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you could get a pretty decent prospect back but 0% chance you get morrow.


Then zero chance we trade him
 
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