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EK65

Créé par: Terry_AkiSauce
Date de création initiale: 18 nov. 2022
Publié: 19 nov. 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Kane, Patrick12 625 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Karlsson, Erik (3 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 2023 ronde en 3e (CAR)
SJS
  1. Choix de 2023 ronde en 5e (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Kane, Patrick (5 250 000 $ retained)
CHI
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Sandin, Rasmus
  3. Choix de 2023 ronde en 1e (TOR)
  4. Choix de 2023 ronde en 3e (CAR)
3.
TOR
    Kane Double Retention
    ARI
    1. Choix de 2025 ronde en 3e (TOR)
    2. Choix de 2025 ronde en 4e (TOR)
    4.
    TOR
    1. Schenn, Luke
    VAN
    1. Engvall, Pierre
    2. Choix de 2024 ronde en 5e (TOR)
    5.
    TOR
    1. Choix de 2023 ronde en 4e (COL)
    SEA
    1. Holl, Justin
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGE1E RONDE2E RONDE3E RONDE4E RONDE5E RONDE6E RONDE7E RONDE
    2023
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    2024
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    2025
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2182 500 000 $81 967 913 $212 500 $0 $532 087 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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    Robertson, Nicholas
    796 667 $
    AG
    RFA - 2
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    Matthews, Auston
    11 640 250 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    Kane, Patrick
    2 625 000 $
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    Nylander, William
    6 962 366 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
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    Tavares, John
    11 000 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
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    Marner, Mitchell
    10 903 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 3
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    Bunting, Michael
    950 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
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    Järnkrok, Calle
    2 100 000 $
    AG, AD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
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    Malgin, Denis
    750 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
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    Aston-Reese, Zach
    840 630 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
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    Kämpf, David
    1 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
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    Simmonds, Wayne
    900 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    Rielly, Morgan
    7 500 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 8
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    Liljegren, Timothy
    1 400 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
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    Murray, Matt
    4 687 500 $
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
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    Brodie, TJ
    5 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
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    Karlsson, Erik
    8 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    Samsonov, Ilya
    1 800 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
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    Giordano, Mark
    800 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
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    Schenn, Luke
    850 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    Benn, Jordie
    750 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    Muzzin, Jake
    5 625 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
    Kane, Patrick
    5 250 000 $
    AD
    NMC
    UFA - 1

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    19 nov. 2022 à 0 h 10
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    Hawks decline, Sandin doesn't fill much of any gaps for us and Kerfoot isn't useful at all to a rebuilding team
    19 nov. 2022 à 0 h 13
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    Holly horrible for San Jose
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    19 nov. 2022 à 0 h 13
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    Hawks decline, Sandin doesn't fill much of any gaps for us and Kerfoot isn't useful at all to a rebuilding team


    Kerfoot is just to make money work but could be flipped by CHI after for picks. If Leafs swap third for first? Can never have too many young dmen
    19 nov. 2022 à 0 h 22
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    Heh.
    19 nov. 2022 à 0 h 23
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    Honestly want to hear the thought process behind that SJ trade.

    They move down to rounds in the draft, lose their best player, AND have to retain 3.5 million for the next 5 years?
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    19 nov. 2022 à 0 h 28
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    Quoting: The_Rocket
    Honestly want to hear the thought process behind that SJ trade.

    They move down to rounds in the draft, lose their best player, AND have to retain 3.5 million for the next 5 years?


    Quoting: Gmonwy
    Holly horrible for San Jose


    That contract has five seasons on it, Karlsson is having a good year but let's not act like this level of play will continue for many more years, might not even last the season
    19 nov. 2022 à 0 h 52
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    That contract has five seasons on it, Karlsson is having a good year but let's not act like this level of play will continue for many more years, might not even last the season


    It’s still better for SJ to keep him than trade him for much less than nothing
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    19 nov. 2022 à 0 h 58
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    Quoting: The_Rocket
    It’s still better for SJ to keep him than trade him for much less than nothing


    Will this be the case in 3-4 years? They would likely die for a trade like this if the injury bug comes back or his play declines again
    19 nov. 2022 à 1 h 18
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    Will this be the case in 3-4 years? They would likely die for a trade like this if the injury bug comes back or his play declines again


    He is a contender for the Norris this season. His contract isn't pretty but no way is SJS retaining 3.5 for 5 years while paying a more valuable draft pick to dump him
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    19 nov. 2022 à 1 h 31
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    Horrible, worst one yet by a lot
    19 nov. 2022 à 10 h 48
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    That contract has five seasons on it, Karlsson is having a good year but let's not act like this level of play will continue for many more years, might not even last the season


    Would you trade Tavares with 3 mil retained for a 2022 second round pick? I mean odds are his production will probably decline somewhat in the years to come.
    19 nov. 2022 à 12 h 51
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    Quoting: Luguber
    Would you trade Tavares with 3 mil retained for a 2022 second round pick? I mean odds are his production will probably decline somewhat in the years to come.


    Tavares hasn't been horrible for the last 3 seasons
    19 nov. 2022 à 13 h 32
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    Kerfoot is just to make money work but could be flipped by CHI after for picks. If Leafs swap third for first? Can never have too many young dmen


    We have too many young dmen, Sandin won't be valued in that trade by much and neither would Kerfoot so Chicago likely declines. You are better off sending both somewhere else first, getting more assets in draft capital to get Kane as ultimately that is what Chicago would want. They may even be entertained by Robertson + 2023 1st.
    19 nov. 2022 à 19 h 48
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    Matthews for Nieto one for one. makes as much sense
    19 nov. 2022 à 20 h 50
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    Sharks decline and offer Gregor for Marner and a 2nd.

    Ease off the psychadelics kid.
    19 nov. 2022 à 21 h 10
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    Tavares hasn't been horrible for the last 3 seasons


    Karlsson was good last year too though. And in the 2019-2020 season
    21 nov. 2022 à 15 h 1
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    Quoting: The_Rocket
    Karlsson was good last year too though. And in the 2019-2020 season


    Definitely worth 11.5M for 5 seasons good, right? 35 points in only 50 games cause he continues to be injured is certainly worth paying that for
    21 nov. 2022 à 15 h 9
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    Lemme think, I'm San Jose's GM and I get this offer. I can either:

    A: Continue to pay Erik Karlsson $11.5M for the rest of this season and the next 4, with the knowledge that it's likely he misses time each year, but will probably be a 0.5-0.7 PPG RHD for me when he's healthy, and hope that he can be a good mentor for the young players I'll be bringing through the rebuild over the next 3-4 seasons.

    B: Trade my 2023 3rd for a 2023 5th *and* agree to eat $17.5M over the next 5 years to get him off the cap and save $8M/year during a period where, for the most part, cap space will not be as important to my rebuilding squad as it would be if I were contending.

    Hmm, gotta think reallllll long and hard about this one.
    21 nov. 2022 à 15 h 17
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    Lemme think, I'm San Jose's GM and I get this offer. I can either:

    A: Continue to pay Erik Karlsson $11.5M for the rest of this season and the next 4, with the knowledge that it's likely he misses time each year, but will probably be a 0.5-0.7 PPG RHD for me when he's healthy, and hope that he can be a good mentor for the young players I'll be bringing through the rebuild over the next 3-4 seasons.

    B: Trade my 2023 3rd for a 2023 5th *and* agree to eat $17.5M over the next 5 years to get him off the cap and save $8M/year during a period where, for the most part, cap space will not be as important to my rebuilding squad as it would be if I were contending.

    Hmm, gotta think reallllll long and hard about this one.


    SJ still gonna be rebuilding in 3-5 years?
    21 nov. 2022 à 15 h 25
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    SJ still gonna be rebuilding in 3-5 years?


    Logan Couture: turning 34 this season, still owed 4x$8M, 29-team NTC
    Marc-Edouard Vlasic: turning 36 this season, 3x$7M left, 29-team NTC

    And when Vlasic's deal expires you'll have a 33 year old Tomas Hertl with 4x$8.1375M left.

    They're locked into an aging core for *at least* the next 3 seasons whether or not they move EK65. At that point, I hang on to him and wait until there's less term on his deal when you have more options with it. Either he still plays at a strong level and retaining on the last couple years is more palatable, or he sucks and you buy him out and only have 4 seasons of cap penalties. But paying to dump him now when it doesn't put you in a position to accelerate the rebuild doesn't make any sense.
     
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