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Vancouver Rebuild

Créé par: Random2152
Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 17 nov. 2022
Publié: 17 nov. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 27
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Quoting: MellowK
You've given no reasons why Holtz and Mercer are expendable, while Quinn Hughes is a desperate need. Why Quinn? Why not Chychrun? Why not Graves? Is it maybe just because of his last name?

3 guys that have watched likely close to every Devils game for years probably knows a bit more about they need than somebody who watched a couple per year? Never mind watching Utica... Michigan... Salavat... etc games.

I wish I had your confidence.


Okay. Theyre expendable because only one is actually on your roster right now and is replaceable with palat comingback.

When did i say Hughes was a desperate need? I think youve created a strawman to yell at here

And thinking that because you watch them means you are properly evaluating them is textbook overconfidence. The irony of which is not lost on me considering what you said next
17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 29
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Okay. Theyre expendable because only one is actually on your roster right now and is replaceable with palat comingback.

When did i say Hughes was a desperate need? I think youve created a strawman to yell at here


Holtz isn't in the lineup because Ruff isn't going to change anything during an 11-game win streak.

Okay, what's the forward group in 23-24?
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17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 31
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Holtz isn't in the lineup because Ruff isn't going to change anything during an 11-game win streak.

Okay, what's the forward group in 23-24?


Teams arent predictable more than a year out - and even then vary massively outside the core. As long as the core fits in the long view the team fits as well

And since you replied before reading this bit ill add it here:

And thinking that because you watch them means you are properly evaluating them is textbook overconfidence. The irony of which is not lost on me considering what you said next
17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 35
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You cant seriously think Hughes won't get a raise in UFA


You can't seriously think that I believe he's coming to NJ?
17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 38
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You can't seriously think that I believe he's coming to NJ?


The way VAN is going there is a decent chance (compared to most star nhl movement anyway)
17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 39
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The way VAN is going there is a decent chance (compared to most star nhl movement anyway)


Not happening
17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 41
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Not happening


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17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 43
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Teams arent predictable more than a year out - and even then vary massively outside the core. As long as the core fits in the long view the team fits as well

And since you replied before reading this bit ill add it here:

And thinking that because you watch them means you are properly evaluating them is textbook overconfidence. The irony of which is not lost on me considering what you said next


Mercer is a core player already... Holtz is expected to be. And you still just can't be bothered answer a simple question. Why Quinn other than his last name? You're not trading for him because it makes sense for NJ, you already admitted to that when you said "When did i say Hughes was a desperate need?", you're just trading for him for the gimmick. You don't pay a price like this for a guy that doesn't fit a need on the team.

I can't be bothered with this. You're clearly all-knowing and I just can't compete. Gnight and GG.
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17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 45
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Mercer is a core player already... Holtz is expected to be. And you still just can't be bothered answer a simple question. Why Quinn other than his last name? You're not trading for him because it makes sense for NJ, you already admitted to that when you said "When did i say Hughes was a desperate need?", you're just trading for him for the gimmick. You don't pay a price like this for a guy that doesn't fit a need on the team.

I can't be bothered with this. You're clearly all-knowing and I just can't compete. Gnight and GG.


Your core is Nico, Jack, Jesper (Bratt) and Dougie.

Mercer is absolutely not apart of that.

You need to learn what a complimentary player is in team design
17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 52
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Live a little


I am, my team's on an 11 game heater!
17 nov. 2022 à 23 h 57
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18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 20
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With severson gone nemetz is the guy they are expecting to come up and fill the slot. The prospects i have them moving here are expendable, but nemetz isnt

Also yes it would be sick


If you want Hughes you don't get to say any prospect is untouchable
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18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 37
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Nobody's going to argue that Graves > Q. Hughes... but sacrificing that much forward depth just to put a couple of guys on the 3rd pairing who really shouldn't be there is a complete waste.

And is it really "so much worse"? Devils have one of the best backends in the league right now... That top 6 -Severson +Hughes&Nemec is perfectly fine by me. Definitely not worth sacrificing high-end forward depth to add to it.


Graves > Hughes? Is that a typo?
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 38
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Mercer is a core player already... Holtz is expected to be. And you still just can't be bothered answer a simple question. Why Quinn other than his last name? You're not trading for him because it makes sense for NJ, you already admitted to that when you said "When did i say Hughes was a desperate need?", you're just trading for him for the gimmick. You don't pay a price like this for a guy that doesn't fit a need on the team.

I can't be bothered with this. You're clearly all-knowing and I just can't compete. Gnight and GG.


Ruff had better stop scratching Holtz and let the damn kid play
18 nov. 2022 à 9 h 27
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Severson is gone. The dcore next year is:

Seigs-hamilton
Hughes-marino
Hughes?-nemec

Makes much more sense


It really doesn't though.
The D corps next year should be:
Siegenthaler - Hamilton
Luke Hughes - Marino
Bahl / Okhotiuk / Smith - Nemec / Walsh / Severson

Severson, who's repeatedly expressed an interest in staying, could well be resigned if neither Nemec nor Walsh are ready for a full-time job in the NHL come 23-24.

In any case, moving Mercer, Holtz and a 1st rd pick in one of the deepest drafts ever would unnecessarily shorten the team's competitive window on the backend.
Sacrificing the long-term future for short- and medium-term gain is exactly the type of move the Devils shouldn't do at this point in time.
18 nov. 2022 à 9 h 53
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The New Jersey Devils are not going to be trading for Quinn Hughes.
18 nov. 2022 à 11 h 38
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If you want Hughes you don't get to say any prospect is untouchable


Thats nice and all, but realistically with the value im offering here there absolutely are untouchables
18 nov. 2022 à 14 h 36
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Thats nice and all, but realistically with the value im offering here there absolutely are untouchables


Realistically you aren't getting Hughes then
18 nov. 2022 à 15 h 15
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Realistically you aren't getting Hughes then


Lol k
That isn't how trade talks work but go off
18 nov. 2022 à 16 h 38
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Lol k
That isn't how trade talks work but go off


It's exactly how trade talks work when you call about a team's untouchables
18 nov. 2022 à 16 h 42
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It's exactly how trade talks work when you call about a team's untouchables


Bud this trade is built in a world where you guys sell and rebuild, not the world of "right this minute"
18 nov. 2022 à 16 h 47
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Bud this trade is built in a world where you guys sell and rebuild, not the world of "right this minute"


Even if they rebuild Pettersson and Hughes aren't going anywhere. It's not that hard to understand
18 nov. 2022 à 16 h 54
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Even if they rebuild Pettersson and Hughes aren't going anywhere. It's not that hard to understand


A 5 year rebuild would waste their contracts and prime years. Smart teams would sell high.

Actually **** you may be right
19 nov. 2022 à 1 h 13
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Graves > Hughes? Is that a typo?


You might want to read what you've quoted again.
19 nov. 2022 à 4 h 55
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You might want to read what you've quoted again.


That is something somebody else quoted. I was just clarifying with them. Either that or...
 
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