Absolutely not

No team is giving a 1st for monahan, never mind a 1st and a decent prospect, these are just getting ridiculous

I wonder what % of Capfriendly threads right now are some variation of Monahan or Horvat to Colorado for 2023 1st+. Feels like there’s several a day.

would rather have Annunen instead of Ranta

2025 1st is not a bad thing tho

it doesnt matter what year it is, hes not worth a 1st, never mind a 1st and a prospect.

you arent getting annenun either, good grief. Monahan is not worth solid assets

Monahan costed Calgary a 1st to move just a few months ago. There has been a two-first-pick-swing after 15 games?

You guys paid a 1st and a 2nd for Lekhonen when ACGMs last year was offering a 3rd max for him. Same for Chiarot and Romanov, and Toffoli was worth a 2nd at best.

The current value of an asset is about what it can bring in the future. It has nothing to do with the acquisition cost.

no they did not trade a 1st and a 2nd for Lehkonen, Barron is invested draft capital, hes not a 1st round pick value anymore.
I was offering a 2nd for Lehkonen in my proposals.

ANd Monahan as a rental who had to attach a 1st to to get rid of is not Lehkonen a pending RFA with team control anymore. Good grief

I’ve seen these Lehkonen comments come up more and more re: bad trade proposals from Habs fans. Is there some discourse going on that I’m not aware of?

I don’t really see how trades involving a pending RFA are even relevant to someone like Monahan. Guys under team control command more of a return.

no clue, they flip flop on their Lehkonen view point whatever fits their narrative....avs over paid for him so they will over pay on other Trades? but then they will cry about how they want Lehkonen back?

Barron was a 1st round pick in 2020. Recently invested draft pick or upcoming draft pick is the same. And you also gave us a 2024 2nd.

Monahan is only 28 and he has recovered from his injuries. Calgary paid a first to dump his contract because they wanted to sign Kadri on a long-term contract and didn't have the cap space with Monahan. Calgary couldn't afford waiting to know if Monahan had recovered or not. Getting certainty came at a price and Kent Hughes monetized it. A team will get an elite center for only $3.2M. There will be many takers around the TDL.

What about Chiarot? And Toffoli?

You're a contender, that's the price to play. The future is now.

It is not the same, hes invested in draft capital, hes not a 1st round pick anymore. You arent selecting a prospect, you got one. Those are not the same thing.

Avs dont want Monahan and his awful skating, hes not worth a 1st, hes not worth a 1st+ a prospect, full stop. Hes not an elite centre, what are you talking about...elite, that is just ridiculous.

and the are not reckless making awful bad trades like other teams just bc youre a habs fan and you think every asset that is on your team is worth heaven and earth to get.

Lmao Monahan will definately fetch a 1st at TDL if he keeps the currect pace. Just look at previous TDL overpayments.

The “acquisition cost” is the market price. It represents the value that the open market paid for him.

Say I am selling gadgets for $100 and no one buys them. My three customers say, “they’re lousy” and offer me $1, $4, and $8 for them. ($100 is the “ask” and $1, $4, $8 are the “bids”). So the gadgets are clearly not worth $100, so I lower the price until they sell… to a fourth customer at $10. That is the “market price”. Once a item is sold on an open market, both the bid and ask prices will move towards the market price.

So, yes, your acquisition cost is meaningful since it was the highest bid a few months ago. Unless Monahan was not offered to Colorado.

oh yes the hypothetical current pace.

Not every player is worth a 1st. I would say Monahan, Edmundson and Savard will get us a 1st. The others I don't think they will.

No, you don't get it.

Habs received a 1st to take Monahan's salary. In other words we were paid to acquire him. But this acquisition price has nothing to do with the value of Monahan on the market.

Now back to your example. You're right to say that the market value of an asset is not based on how much I ask for it but how much someone is willing to pay for it. A transaction is only possible if the bid and the ask meet. Your expectation of selling your gadget for $100 was far from the best offer at $8 and for that reason, you either decide not to sell it or to accept the highest bid. Monahan's value is the same and is based on how much a team is willing to pay to get a skilled center for $3.2M (50% retained). With Norris injured, Ottawa might have an interest. Philadelphia with Couturier is in the same position. Colorado need a 2C while Newhook gets more experienced to assume that role. This is when it could get interesting for a team to acquire Monahan and the value will be determined by how much his contribution is needed.

Teams certainly aren't going to give up much for Monahan or Horvat right now. Now if the Avs (or a contender) feel the need for a centre....yep Horvat and Monahan might fetch a good return but it's too early now for teams to make plunge on giving up futures.
If the Avs feel Monahan could be a difference maker come February, yeah a first and prospect could be a trade.

We'll see at trade deadline if this comment aged well.

Lehkonen didn't get a 1st & 2nd. It was a prospect + 2nd. It's not even a comparible situation as Lehkonen was a pending RFA and not a pure rental (like Monahan would be).

CAR got Pacioretty for future considerations, can I use that as the benchmark for future trade proposals?