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Créé par: cjones1909
Équipe: 2022-23 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 11 nov. 2022
Publié: 11 nov. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Horvat signs for 8 year $7.5-$8M -- Still leaves Minnesota with some wiggle room to resign their RFAs next year with cap expected to jump to $84-$84.5M

Dumba signs for 6-7yrs $5-$6M
Transactions
1.
MIN
  1. Horvat, Bo
  2. Myers, Tyler (2 000 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
VAN
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Jost, Tyson
  3. Merrill, Jon
  4. Peart, Jack [Liste de réserve]
  5. Steel, Sam
  6. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (MIN)
2.
DET
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (MIN)
Rachats de contrats
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2023
Logo de MIN
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Logo de MIN
2024
Logo de MIN
Logo de MIN
Logo de MIN
Logo de VAN
Logo de MIN
Logo de MIN
2025
Logo de MIN
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $80 020 254 $0 $1 532 500 $2 479 746 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
4 125 000 $4 125 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C
UFA - 7
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance600 000 $$600K)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C
RFA - 3
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
750 000 $750 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
800 000 $800 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
2 450 000 $2 450 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
7 575 000 $7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
795 000 $795 000 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
787 500 $787 500 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2

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11 nov. 2022 à 15 h 28
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Throwing a bunch of garbage together doesn't get you Horvat
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11 nov. 2022 à 15 h 28
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You have to give up quality for Horvat, not quantity
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11 nov. 2022 à 15 h 35
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Wings might trade Sunny at deadline, but will be looking for 2023 pick not future pick. Yzerman and team like what he brings and could see them resigning him after this year.
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11 nov. 2022 à 15 h 35
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All quantity, no quality. What good does a UFA Dumba do for the Canucks?
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11 nov. 2022 à 15 h 39
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Quoting: Juiceman
All quantity, no quality. What good does a UFA Dumba do for the Canucks?


It’s implied he’s re-signed but it’s still a terrible trade
11 nov. 2022 à 16 h 4
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Minnesota declines the Vancouver deal easy. They aren't taking on cap dump Tyler Myers. Bo isn't worth this, so no.
11 nov. 2022 à 16 h 10
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I can’t see a team with $14M in dead cap wanting to add Tyler Myers to their roster lol

The return here doesn’t move the needle for Vancouver either
11 nov. 2022 à 16 h 10
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Minnesota declines the Vancouver deal easy. They aren't taking on cap dump Tyler Myers. Bo isn't worth this, so no.


Why does Minnesota decline this. The Canucks do.
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11 nov. 2022 à 16 h 16
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Minnesota declines the Vancouver deal easy. They aren't taking on cap dump Tyler Myers. Bo isn't worth this, so no.


Your bias is showing
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11 nov. 2022 à 16 h 54
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Your bias is showing


Tyler Myers is a cap dump Canucks would need to pay to dump. Bo horvat is worth a 1st and prospect from a contender
11 nov. 2022 à 16 h 55
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Quoting: Scooter81
Why does Minnesota decline this. The Canucks do.


Because Minnesota isn't the place to dump Tyler Myers on. Minnesota isn't giving up dumba and top d prospects and picks for rental in Bo horvat
11 nov. 2022 à 17 h 0
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Vancouver laugh and passes on the Horvat trade, There is no way they're dealing Horvat with an extension for that mess.

Sundqvist will get a 2023 3rd round pick or Yzerman resigns him.
11 nov. 2022 à 17 h 52
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Because Minnesota isn't the place to dump Tyler Myers on. Minnesota isn't giving up dumba and top d prospects and picks for rental in Bo horvat


First of all, the Canucks are paying a fifth to take on his contract, not the best but considering this garbage offer by the Wild it will do justice. Your also saying that they are giving up d-prospects for Horvat. Merrill is nowhere close to a d-prospect and is 30 now. Dumba is 28 but, he needs a new contract. So does Horvat but Horvat is wayyy better than Dumba and is projected to hit 96 points. Jost and Steel aren’t worth anything. They are just a bunch of scraps. Canucks decline.
11 nov. 2022 à 18 h 24
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Quoting: KobG
Tyler Myers is a cap dump Canucks would need to pay to dump. Bo horvat is worth a 1st and prospect from a contender


Hate to inform you but that deal has no good prospects or first round picks involved. Easiest Canucks decline they will have to make
11 nov. 2022 à 18 h 53
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Quoting: Scooter81
First of all, the Canucks are paying a fifth to take on his contract, not the best but considering this garbage offer by the Wild it will do justice. Your also saying that they are giving up d-prospects for Horvat. Merrill is nowhere close to a d-prospect and is 30 now. Dumba is 28 but, he needs a new contract. So does Horvat but Horvat is wayyy better than Dumba and is projected to hit 96 points. Jost and Steel aren’t worth anything. They are just a bunch of scraps. Canucks decline.


Look up who jack peart os. He's a top d prospect who Minnesota wouldn't trade. Dumba would still easily get a 2nd or late 1. Minnesota wouldn't be the one adding on more here.

Tyler Myers take away whatever people will offer for Bo. Flat out
11 nov. 2022 à 18 h 53
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Hate to inform you but that deal has no good prospects or first round picks involved. Easiest Canucks decline they will have to make


Wrong.

Jack Peart is a B-level prospect with 2nd pairing potential and upside.

Same for Daemon Hunt and Ryan O'Rourke.

Look, I love Horvat. But he's not worth the Lambos, Faber, or Addison's of the world. 2nd-line centers don't get A-level prospects in trades. Especially when he'd be a rental here, as we can't afford to extend him.

He also isn't worth more than $6.5M on a long-term contract. Giving him anything more than that is an extreme overpay.
11 nov. 2022 à 18 h 54
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Hate to inform you but that deal has no good prospects or first round picks involved. Easiest Canucks decline they will have to make


Oh? You don't know who jack peart is. He was just selected last draft in 2nd round. Dumba is easy worth a 2nd or late 1st. Tyler Myers would cost a 1st to dump, so that neutralizes what someone gives for Horvat
11 nov. 2022 à 18 h 55
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Look up who jack peart os. He's a top d prospect who Minnesota wouldn't trade. Dumba would still easily get a 2nd or late 1. Minnesota wouldn't be the one adding on more here.

Tyler Myers take away whatever people will offer for Bo. Flat out


Peart is a b-level d-prospect at best
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Quoting: RazWild
Wrong.

Jack Peart is a B-level prospect with 2nd pairing potential and upside.

Same for Daemon Hunt and Ryan O'Rourke.

Look, I love Horvat. But he's not worth the Lambos, Faber, or Addison's of the World. 2nd-line centers don't get A-level prospects in trades. Especially when he'd be a rental here, as we can't afford to extend him.

He also isn't worth more than $6.5M on a long-term contract. Giving him anything more than that is an extreme overpay.


B-level prospect = good prospect? He is a decent prospect but not enough to get Horvat. No where is the first round pick? You said I am wrong when i said this deal contains no first and top prospect.
11 nov. 2022 à 18 h 56
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Look up who jack peart os. He's a top d prospect who Minnesota wouldn't trade. Dumba would still easily get a 2nd or late 1. Minnesota wouldn't be the one adding on more here.

Tyler Myers take away whatever people will offer for Bo. Flat out


Jack Peart is a B-level prospect.

He is not a top prospect.

FULL STOP.

And no Dumba isn't. Not when the front office has tried to move him for the last 2+ years and there haven't been any takers.
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Oh? You don't know who jack peart is. He was just selected last draft in 2nd round. Dumba is easy worth a 2nd or late 1st. Tyler Myers would cost a 1st to dump, so that neutralizes what someone gives for Horvat


The Canucks dont need a pending UFA in Dumba making his value pretty much 0
11 nov. 2022 à 19 h 6
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B-level prospect = good prospect? He is a decent prospect but not enough to get Horvat. No where is the first round pick? You said I am wrong when i said this deal contains no first and top prospect.


Did you miss the part where I said he’s not worth a top prospect?

A-level Prospects = Great Prospects/Top Prospects

B-Level Prospects = Good Prospects

One of Peart, Hunt, or O'Rourke plus a 1st and depth player like Jost for Cap purposes is fair for a rental Horvat.

Top Prospects like Lambos, Faber, or Addison are off the table for rental 2nd-line centers.
11 nov. 2022 à 19 h 8
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The Canucks dont need a pending UFA in Dumba making his value pretty much 0


So's Horvat.

He still has value, but that UFA thing lessening value works both ways, bud!
11 nov. 2022 à 21 h 11
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Quoting: RazWild
So's Horvat.

He still has value, but that UFA thing lessening value works both ways, bud!


I don't think you understand. Pending UFA's have value to contender teams. A contender can actually use a rental to chase the cup. The Canucks are not a contender. A pending UFA won't help them.
11 nov. 2022 à 21 h 48
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I don't think you understand. Pending UFA's have value to contender teams. A contender can actually use a rental to chase the cup. The Canucks are not a contender. A pending UFA won't help them.


I understand just fine.

I don't think you do.

What exactly about Minnesota screams *Contender* to you?

So by your very own context. What exactly is Horvat's value to a team, that while he helps as a rental, doesn't push them into contending status?

For what? Simply a chance to get out of the 1st round, maybe?

It's certainly not worth an A-level prospect, a 1st, plus however much more Canucks fans want for a 2nd-line center. That doesn't move the needle all that much or can be kept around after the fact.

It's entirely possible Horvat is someone Guerin is interested in. But he's not overpaying for something Horvat is not. He helps us compete, and *go for it*, nothing more. But he doesn't magically turn us into contenders as well.
 
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