There would be no chance Winnipeg waits a year for a protected first if that's all they're getting back. Winnipeg gets a similar return at the TDL for a rental Dubois. So fluff like Dvorak and Roy don't move the needle to get a full year of Dubois.

Not even a slight chance Dubois signs a long term contract at below market value.

Fantastic trade for Winnipeg.
Middle 6 c, top four RD prospect and the best scorer in the Q, plus a 1st for a guy who doesn't even wanna be in Winnipeg.

Mtl declines, they'll sign him as a UFA instead.

100% remove Roy and maybe habs would consider it but even then i dont think is something they are looking at right now and certainly not at that high a price.
At the start of the offseason maybe but the team is much different now, we arent dying for centers and not going to give up all those assets for one year.

No matter what we offer for PLD, he'll always say it's not enough and they could get more at TDL.

He won't take any cap back, probably think he's getting two top prospects or two top 10 picks in value, something like that.

PLD is worth at best a good prospect and a late 1st, with cap coming back from any team. Can't wait for him to be proven wrong ONCE AGAIN.

We're not giving up our 2023 first after having given up our 2022 first, and we're not paying a first for Edmundson. Some other team probably will (see "Chiarot, Ben"), but not us.

Danault and Bergevin would speak highly of Edmundson. He helped MTL alot in the 2021 playoffs. If LA need a good 2nd pair defensive LHD, Edmundson would be a good fit.

The price will be high for 50% retained Edmundson, but he could be the difference between a short and a long playoffs run for the Kings.

We said the same things about Lehkonen last year, nobody believed us and look what he did for the Avs.

It's more the problem that Montreal fans think they can get Dubois next off season for his price at the following TDL.

If all you are offering, is a price that matches his TDL price or slightly more, why doesn't Winnipeg just wait?

Dubois at the TDL gets a first and good prospect minimum, so the extra here is Dvorak and Roy.

Dvorak next year will only have 2 years left and one year of Dubois is worth more than 2 of Dvorak. Dvorak as an overpaid bottom sixer that doesn't do much in the way of scoring, is worth maybe a 3rd next year.

Roy is okay but is a 5th round pick. Statistically, only 15 players picked after the 2nd round every year ever go on to play more than 200 games in the NHL. So, he's a long shot to ever be a full time NHL'er.

There's just no reason for the Jets to jump the gun for a lowball offer that doesn't really fill needs for them, other than Barron. Especially when you want them to wait another year for a 1st with conditions.

Roy is already a shutdown RD, he is who we are looking to pair with. This is why an offensive threat like Chychrun was seen as the best option as the 2nd pair LD.

Edmundson would be a great eventual replacement for Edler, but the Kings are (1) not in a must-win window worth trading away a 1st, (2) playing Durzi on as the LD2 has provided better offensive upside, he is just more of a defensive liability and takes some dumb penalties as a young puck-moving defenseman, (3) the Kings would need to move Walker's contract and he still has value and plays LD as well.

Overall Edmundson would be nice, but the Kings can't afford him, are not in a position to be spending 1st rounders as a team not locked into the playoffs, and Edmundson doesn't address what the Kings are looking for (a dynamic LD who is good offensively as well as defensively).

I thought the Kings were in the middle of a cup window with Kopitar, Quick and Doughty pretty much on their last good years.

If so, they should definitly go after Edmundson if they're in the playoffs by TDL. He might be average offensively, but at 6'5 224, he's a beast physically.

Have to agree with that sentiment overall kings dont need to overspend at the deadline. There's only going to be a handful of teams willing to pay the price for Edmundson, as we saw last year with Florida there will be a few teams that feel like they are all in this year when the deadline comes, and the hab's will be patient and wait it out till they get the price they want.

Just going off the current season and betting odds, the Kings are seen as the underdogs of their 3 primary opponents in the Pacific: Edmonton, Calgary, or Vegas.

They are currently fighting the Kraken to hold onto a playoff position unless they catapult to the top of those standings and stay there, the Kings do not need to be (big) buyers, they just need to keep developing. Kempe, Vilardi, Anderson, Durzi, Kaliyev, and Grundstrom are proving that patience makes this team better to build from within. The Kings gave up a late first last year in a weak draft or 7 years of Kevin Fiala, do you think an unprotected 1st in a strong draft is good asset management if all you get is 1.5 years of Edmundson?

LMAO, comments like this is why you are viewed as nothing more than a Montreal troll.

We literally offer more than what you view as a TDL return and you still say it isn't enough, then you go further saying that Dvorak is a bottom 6 center not worth more than a 3rd yet we all know that Pageau was traded just 2 years ago for a 1st + 2nd + 3rd and at that time he had similar career numbers to Dvorak and was roughly the same age but was on an expiring contract where as Dvo still has 2 years after this one, so his value would be higher since he is not a rental.

I have news for you, not many teams will offer more than a 1st + good prospect and the Jets will have to either retain money or take back a bad contract at the 2024 TDL to even get that since all teams around the league know that PDL is not likely to extend anywhere else other than Montreal. So this may not be the type of return you are looking for but it is still better than anything you are going to get at the 2024 TDL and more than anything I would offer for him. Most I would offer for PLD right now is a replacement center with less cap and some term (Dvorak) + 2023 2nd + Barron and I still think that is an overpayment since PLD is most likely signed as a FA in the 2024 offseason.

Fiala is better than Edmundson. He was traded for a late 1st because MIN couldn't afford him, and few teams could because cap stayed still for the last few seasons.

In the cap era, teams can't have 20 Fiala. They need top 6/top 4 players at low cap hit.

A 1st might be a steep price, but there's gonna be a bidding war at TDL for him because he's the type of D every teams need for the playoffs.

Exactly, Rob Blake has tried his best to be conservative in each of his big moves:

-Danault, addressed 2C, he paid no assets for him, and was able to bridge the gap Kopitar leaving will have for 5 years
-Fiala, addresses much-needed goal-scoring for the next 7 years. He had to give up a late first and a RD prospect (which they were stacked at)
-His last area of need is a young left-shot defenseman who provides offense and defense long-term as this player will be paired with Matt Roy and maybe Brandt Clarke later, this specifically needs to be a player who is proven to play 20+ minutes is relied upon defensively and can offensively beat out Sean Durzi.

I'm sure some team will pay a 1st for Edmundson, but I don't think it will be the Kings and there are more available players at LD at the deadline that would fit the bill for them.

If it is a rental, they will need to move Walker and whatever that return is (likely a 2nd or 3rd) to be used to address LD weakness. If I were to guess it would be one of these 4:

Gavrikov, Holden, Gostisbehere, or Chychrun

As for Edmundson's value, It will come down to what the Ducks will get for 50% retention on Klingberg. If he get's a first at $3.5M, I would say that that would bring the value down on Edmundson. If the Ducks get a haul then a 1st + is coming.

Nice rebuttal. You have no real ammunition to debate with, so resort to being childish once again.

That's why no one takes you seriously, you can't provide any arguments to support your position.

Enjoy getting a second rounder and a decent prospect for Dubois at the deadline.

Lol. You've never seen a trade deadline deal before have you. Guys like Ben Chiarot get firsts.

Anyway, I kind of figured you wouldn't be able to put together an intelligent rebuttal. Have fun in your world.

Thanks windjammer have fun in fantasy land

I agree with everything you said except i wouldn't trust Gostisbehere, Holden or Gavrikov for a playoffs push.

Chychrun price tag will be high, but the Kings have what it would take. Of all the players we talked, he would be the best for that LD spot.

You mean the defenseman you said MTL would never get a 1st for? I'm still waiting for many of you to admit you were wrong on that one.

Dubois will fetch a late 1st and a good prospect like Barron or Kidney. I was right about Chiarot and i'm gonna be right about Dubois too.

Oh no doubt, but the question is, realistically when is the Kings window open, if it's within the next 2 seasons, then go for it, but I feel that after 2 seasons is when the Kings really will be in the all-in, most of the Kings prospects will be hitting their prime, and Chychrun will be asking for a big pay day. Why not just wait it out and get him as a free agent?

I agree, if Dubois is traded at the TDL he'll get somewhere around that. Depending on where the pick actually is and what actual prospect is.

I know I never said Chiarot wouldn't get a first, because there is always some idiot GM that will do something dumb. But I think we'd both agree, Chiarot isn't/wasn't worth a 1st.

No team should pay a 1st for a player like Chiarot. However, many GM offered at least a 1st, that's why FLO couldn't protect their 1st and added Smilanic.

While windjammer is nuts on his ask you are very light on what you think dubois gets... Andrew Copp just got the jets a solid prospect a 1st and 2nd. But dubois won't get even that plus the jets will have to take on cap? Sure that makes sense. You clearly have no idea about the Jets GM... he isn't taking less for Dubois than he got for Copp... Its never happening.

1st was conditionnal on the Rangers winning at least 2 playoffs rounds. Could easily been a 2nd if Rangers lost in the first 2 rounds. Jets were lucky to get a 1st.

Also, you qualifying Morgan Barron as a solid prospect is ridiculous. He was, and still is, at best a B prospect.

Justin Barron is a top prospect. Him and a 1st is the best Winnipeg is gonna get for Dubois.